Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 14:25:48 -0700 From: Bryan Drewery <bdrewery@FreeBSD.org> To: John Baldwin <jhb@freebsd.org>, 'freebsd-arch' <freebsd-arch@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Retiring in-tree GDB Message-ID: <5626B15C.4080408@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <2678091.es0AGJQ0Ou@ralph.baldwin.cx> References: <2678091.es0AGJQ0Ou@ralph.baldwin.cx>
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[-- Attachment #1 --] On 10/20/2015 1:36 PM, John Baldwin wrote: > However, I would like to propose that we retire the in-tree GDB for some of > our platforms (namely x86) for 11. In particular, I think we should default Disabling/removing gdb. Definitely. It is unusable in many cases and the working gdb is just a 'pkg install' away. > to enabling lldb and disabling gdb for platforms that meet the following Why should we include lldb in the base system? It is not needed to build or use the system and we can easily provide one from packages. Arguments about providing a default working system don't work here for me as we don't provide perl, python, valgrind, vim, emacs, X11, etc. We can provide lldb and gdb on the default DVD though. If we are actually going to "package base" in 11, we should not be adding new things into base that can easily live in ports. Yes, I know lldb is already there but I don't think it should be. Can the same be said for tools such as truss, ktrace or nvi? Sure. The discussion is really "what packages should be installed by default". The answer should be "what all, or most, users _need_" Do most users need a debugger? I don't think so. > criteria: > > 1) devel/gdb works including thread and kgdb support > 2) lldb works -- Regards, Bryan Drewery [-- Attachment #2 --] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJWJrFcAAoJEDXXcbtuRpfPnRYIAM4K+LCTtKLmKB621IqLmbM/ 24U5yE+QMBWpwRqqMWYQc49CFhviz0SU3/pZlHePUh3rbdrmTLJctLJJHhyW0w31 oGNHfRgxHQD0XpQjXJrLP9ddYGQIPPMAO2umbFvDVdPhc24UrosARDMHvks8TC4s KfUaci1IgmLkvHF2oT+LT3XQoHHf1JLnB4UB5IQGDa2Zd7wuu8e0/ydr4B5iwkFU cgyYOPeR2svepenLjS+9GEAnIJ5kRckTNcDigVtwhs08jSukkkB1Hahhz/FBdP4p lour8T6bAE3LthEwTPiQF2haPUNXhwK4YbTNbwYeRaRIjgVnev8ogOZBCpCWxOw= =R7vE -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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