Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2025 12:29:16 -0400 From: Karl Denninger <karl@denninger.net> To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IPv6 networking problems in 14.3 Message-ID: <6fce77fb-9ba8-4c7b-bb9b-0e337d91f278@denninger.net> In-Reply-To: <E06E4F40-0E2C-4C4E-9C27-3BCF086347FA@distal.com> References: <4C00D174-21FE-47C4-A30A-A382138571A5@keehole.org> <A9EBD993-D77D-49F9-9FFB-0E42EA0BEE6E@keehole.org> <DC84D8EC-B084-4AF1-B3F4-413323DA613A@distal.com> <dfa7af0c-334f-4b36-86dc-b2d75d1477d3@denninger.net> <E06E4F40-0E2C-4C4E-9C27-3BCF086347FA@distal.com>
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<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 9/14/2025 12:19, Chris Ross wrote:<=
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<pre wrap=3D"" class=3D"moz-quote-pre">On Sep 14, 2025, at 08:27,=
Karl Denninger <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:karl@de=
nninger.net"><karl@denninger.net></a> wrote:
That gateway isn't by any chance running out of RAM such as on nanobsd (e=
=2Eg. /var is volatile) is it?
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No. Full fledged machine here.
% df -h /var
Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on
zroot/ROOT/default 1.4T 7.3G 1.4T 1% /
% top | head
last pid: 41577; load averages: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00 up 37+03:40:12 1=
2:11:35
44 processes: 1 running, 43 sleeping
CPU: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 0.0% interrupt, 100% idle
Mem: 30M Active, 639M Inact, 5741M Wired, 136K Buf, 118G Free
ARC: 2464M Total, 1139M MFU, 708M MRU, 723K Anon, 25M Header, 588M Other
1442M Compressed, 3493M Uncompressed, 2.42:1 Ratio
Swap: 8192M Total, 8192M Free
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<pre wrap=3D"" class=3D"moz-quote-pre">If so the duid is non-fixe=
d and some ISPs will have a hiss-fit in that they "marry" the MAC on your=
end to the MAC on the ONT along with the duid and use that internally. I=
f the duid changes but the MAC does not it will not arp and you're hosed =
as their end has no internal map back to your gateway thus you don't get =
the advertisements (and in some cases no delegation either!) and it doesn=
't come up.
I also have "noarp" in my config which otherwise made the ISP's gear upse=
t. In addition I have made sure the duid doesn't change (try "duid ll" wh=
ich will generate one that won't so long as the interface it is applied t=
o doesn't) and/or move /var/db/dhcpcd to something that can be sync'd (e.=
g. symlink it to /usr/local/etc/db/dhcpcd and then after the first boot s=
ync that) so the duid file gets restored on a restart.
I ran into this with my fiber here; the former cable company did not care=
if all this was volatile on a restart however the fiber firm did it was =
a load of fun to get someone on the phone who actually could figure out *=
why* their system got mad and wouldn't reconnect. In my case their end wo=
uld return an IPv4 address and function but would not come back up on IPv=
6 unless they cleared their internal tables manually.
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Thanks for the ideas. I=E2=80=99m 95% sure my duid/MAC are static. And,=
unless that would=E2=80=99ve changed between 14.1 and 14.3, I wouldn=E2=80=
=99t expect that to be a problem. I certainly can tell with every reboot=
that I have the same address. Let me see if my dhcpcd.log tells me what=
it used to be...
No, looks like I can confirm the same /56 was delegated before as now, wh=
ich suggests it=E2=80=99s the same, but doesn=E2=80=99t literally record =
my IPv6 LL, DUID, or MAC.=20
So I think that=E2=80=99s not my problem. It=E2=80=99s not the ISP. I c=
an try to switch back to 14.1, I=E2=80=99ll research whether I can do tha=
t via ZFS snapshots without it being an act of no return. Google will te=
ll me. Otherwise, I may try booting a 14.1 kernel and see what that does=
=2E Might break things with a 14.3 user land, but easy to try.
- Chris
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<p>Rolling this around in my head some more..... what is the
underlying interface?</p>
<p>I ask because I saw this happen with "re" driver interfaces (both
IPv4 and 6) where it would not get an ARP map and thus couldn't
see anything at all on the outside - there were enough other
screwball things going on with the "re" driver (timeouts and
similar) that I tossed that and now run on ix and a couple of SFP+
transceivers which has been entirely-stable (although igb also
appears to work as I've gotten my hands on a box with a couple of
those and tested that too.)</p>
<p>Given that arp issue I have to wonder if both are connected --
incidentally when I was testing that unit I also tried the
"native" split IPv4/IPv6 requester for dhcp rather than dhcpcd and
had the same results, so I tend to think dhcpcd is probably not
the cause.</p>
<div class=3D"moz-signature">-- <br>
Karl Denninger<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:karl@denninger.net" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetex=
t">karl@denninger.net</a><br>
<i>The Market Ticker</i><br>
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