Date: Mon, 26 Jun 95 20:35:07 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) To: jkh@freebsd.org (Jordan K. Hubbard) Cc: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com, phk@freefall.cdrom.com, mark@grondar.za, wollman@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Crypt code summary(2). Message-ID: <9506270235.AA01284@cs.weber.edu> In-Reply-To: <2304.804210237@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 27, 95 00:43:57 am
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[ ... Re: Consortium ... ] > So if you want to front such an organization, please feel free! But > don't talk to me about how YOU are maxed out and then in the same > breath imply that our own lack of willingness comes from arrogance of > our position and not simply a similar level of over-committment. That's not what I implied. I implied a lack of interest, not "interest but a lack of willingness". Arrogance is another topic entirely, and the failure attributable to it is names "Merge", not "Consortium" (and no, I'm not *willing* to go down that thread again). > You're full of ideas, Terry, but you're also far too willing to sign > other people up for things you're not willing to commit to yourself. I agree with this, to an extent. I can name some examples quite close to home: the original 386BSD FAQ and patchkit, both of which I foisted off on the first willing/unsuspecting people to come along who stood a chance (IMO) of keeping it going at the right level. > Kindly stop! You're not helping things and the impression you end up > giving is that of someone who likes the sound of his own voice (or > typing? :-) I don't think that's it. I am unlikely to keep opinions to myself. > but always has a convenient excuse when the REAL work or > committment is called for. Enough with the feeble excuses! We've > heard them all by now! Put up or shut up, PUH-LEEZE! :-) Well, Rod is burning in my dual processor P90 right now (ask him if you don't believe me). Feel free to ask Jeffrey Hsu what is currently going on with him, if he's willing to comment. Feel free to ask Sean Eric Fagan what joint project we have up our sleeves, though I'd rather it not be made too public right now. I just barely finished reviewing someone else's manuscript for Prentice Hall; it was a much more time consuming job than I had expected. Naerly 6 Months of free time; expect to see the book "UNIX Internals: The New Frontiers" in bookstores soon. I highly recommend it for its comparative look at many UNIX implementations. I'm about to take my first real vacation in about two years (not that I won't stay net connected) and expect to be updating some Nucleotide Visualization software I put together for a couple of genetecists doing Human Genome Project work. I expect I'll be asked to help move over some relativistically invariant pair production simulation software I volunteered time on occasionally over the last 10-12 years (it was just recently used to locate the energy range for the carrier of the weak force). So even on vacation, I expect to stay quite busy. Meanwhile, Sean has seen one pre-release game of several, and everyone on the FreeBSD Core and XFree86 mailing lists at least had opportunity (even if they didn't exercise it) to see the first Alpha of Mimic, my Motif library clone. So I think I have "put up" quite a bit. On the other hand, places where I do only make comments, you can be sure I have some sort of code concern or another in mind. Just because I don't think something is release quality doesn't mean it's not there -- rememeber when I shipped off the pre-alpha for LKM? It had Sun copyright manual pages I was using to figure options at the end of the utility source files, and it took two months for them to be removed. On top of that, since the "console team" needed the LKM code, I rushed it in favor of other projects. Less than a week later, Novell bought USL and much of my code that was nearly ready to go (like shared libraries using Jeffrey Hsu's PIC mods to GCC and GNU asm) got delayed. Much of it to the point that it was obviated (by another shared library implementation a year later for shared libs) or obsoleted by massive and sometimes gratuitous interface changes (like my Streams implementation). I'd like to avoid providing opportunity for that kind of screwup again, thank you. Yes, I take a hundred paths at once; that doesn't mean I never reach the end of any of them. Have some frigging patience! I haven't been in a position to *do* anything, first because of Novell, and then for lack of equipment and all my free time going to book reviewing (all three of which should finally be remedied around the 10th of July). Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers.
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