Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 16:59:41 +0000 From: "Frank Pawlak" <fpawlak@execpc.com> To: Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>, Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com>, jasone@canonware.com, smoergrd@oslo.geco-prakla.slb.com Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Microsoft's breaches of contract (was: FBSD license and multiple copyright holders) Message-ID: <980704165941.ZM2483@darkstar.connect.com> In-Reply-To: Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> "Microsoft's breaches of contract (was: FBSD license and multiple copyright holders)" (Jul 4, 4:58pm) References: <rx4ogv71jwn.fsf@oslo.geco-prakla.slb.com> <199807040703.BAA02533@softweyr.com> <19980704165817.D358@freebie.lemis.com>
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On Jul 4, 4:58pm, Greg Lehey wrote: > Subject: Microsoft's breaches of contract (was: FBSD license and multiple > On Saturday, 4 July 1998 at 1:03:39 -0600, Wes Peters wrote: > > My hidden microphone recorded (Dag-Erling Coidan Sm?rgrav) > > (smoergrd@oslo.geco-prakla.slb.com) saying: > > > >> Jason Evans <jasone@canonware.com> writes: > >>> As the standard FBSD license reads, it seems to me that anyone who > >>> distributes a binary-only FreeBSD-based product is legally required to > >>> print reams of copyright notices in the documentation. That sucks for the > >>> distributor and for the customers. > >> > >> It's there for a reason. I can't understand why UCB hasn't sued the > >> pants off Microsoft yet... The monkeys in Redmond are shipping > >> software under Berkeley license without including the proper magic > >> incantations in their advertising material or documentation. > >> > >> Wouldn't it be a ball to see Microsoft print "This product includes > >> software developed at the University of California, Berkeley" on the > >> cover of every single Windows 98 or Windows NT CD? > > > > You'll find exactly those kinds of copyright notices on the Intel > > Internet Station, the little dial-up router I worked on last year. > > You find them there, and on the "Legal Stuff" web page in the user > > interface, only because I put them into the web page myself, and > > raised such a stink about the lack of notices in the documentation > > and got the legal department involved, over the strenuous objections > > of the doc writer. To their credit, the opinion from the legal > > department was rendered in mere hours, and boiled down to "put the > > copyright notices into the documentation or don't ship the product." > > :-) > > About 2 years ago I did a short contract for Siemens-Nixdorf in > Germany. One of the things I did was some modifications to syslogd, > and I noticed to my horror that they had removed the copyright. OK, I > was supposed to fix it, so I fixed that as well. After I had left, > one of my colleagues (Jürgen Krause, one of the authors of the > original FreeBSD ISDN package, with whom, just by chance, I was > working) called me up and said "Greg, something seems to have gone > wrong with your commit. You have the FreeBSD syslogd in there > instead". I don't know if it's still in there, or whether they took > it out again. > > > We researched copyright notices as diligently as possible in the > > time we had, given that Wind River Systems had removed the original > > copyright notices from much of the code, and credited UC Berkely, > > CMU, and the ISC. > > > > Why Microsoft cannot do the same is beyond me. Somebody oughtta > > take'em to court. Maybe Scott McNealy would loan us the bucks, > > on contingency? ;^) > > Now if there's one thing that *really* pisses me off, it's that nobody > has stopped Microsoft from shipping Internet Exploder because it is in > breach of contract. I would have hoped that Sun could say "ship it > with correct Java, ship it without Java, or don't ship it". If they > can't get that done, I don't see that they can help us in what is > primarily a matter of recognition. > > Greg Greg, arn't Sun and Microsoft presently in litigation over this very issue? I know that SUN has brought suit against Microsoft for their bastardising of Java, and I think that it also relates to IE as well. Frank > -- > See complete headers for address and phone numbers > finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message >-- End of excerpt from Greg Lehey To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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