Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 14:47:35 -0000 From: "Steven Hartland" <killing@multiplay.co.uk> To: "Nathan Whitehorn" <nwhitehorn@freebsd.org>, <freebsd-current@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: FreeBSD is very slow when Memory chip sizes are imbalanced in slots Message-ID: <D09D34E518E94C3CAC98DAE7486CE62A@multiplay.co.uk> References: <CAOgwaMss0cB9bFqCkjzukb-=9FqgLN9vthL5QdQsk-6Lknk5VQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAFHbX1LcCGoWy%2BHzp8T7z4noFZAMK1-sCuWpO_Z_ybhnoMMY5A@mail.gmail.com> <CAOgwaMtTmx4LhEdrg3WNjZA-uyTRSN913RBWrrqMia4GZhP_zA@mail.gmail.com> <CAFHbX1KkD7fWP%2BKZNrSjzCStUM_Smjw7GdKDTo=DjjMoe5ttGA@mail.gmail.com> <35878.1363607691@critter.freebsd.dk> <CAOgwaMthTbj5k%2B03WSNGK7wm0aTufd1czQotM1wF0mAVnU7HLQ@mail.gmail.com> <514715F9.2080506@freebsd.org>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Nathan Whitehorn" <nwhitehorn@freebsd.org>
To: <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: FreeBSD is very slow when Memory chip sizes are imbalanced in slots
> On 03/18/13 07:18, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote:
>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 4:54 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk>wrote:
>>
>>> In message <CAFHbX1KkD7fWP+KZNrSjzCStUM_Smjw7GdKDTo=
>>> DjjMoe5ttGA@mail.gmail.com>, Tom Evans writes:
>>>
>>>> You say this, have you actually measured/checked. sysutils/dmidecode
>>>> will interrogate your BIOS and tell us what it thinks is installed in
>>>> each RAM socket. It is not uncommon for RAM to say one thing on the
>>>> outside, and report something completely different to the BIOS.
>>>
>>> I can only second Tom's call for a proper scientific approach to
>>> debugging this issue, rather than just assume that it is the
>>> operating systems fault.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20
>>> phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956
>>> FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe
>>> Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I am a graduate of Operations Research and Statistics option of a
>> Mathematics department .
>> All of your considerations are considered . It is so much apparent that ,
>> the cause is FreeBSD .
>>
>> In my previous year message and in its subsequent messages , there are
>> sufficiently detailed information .
>>
>>
>> This message is caused from the following fact :
>>
>> In previous year case , KDE used was a cause , but FluxBox was working fast
>> .
>> Now , I have installed 10.0 current . It does not have KDE in packages . I
>> have installed FluxBox .
>> It is not a few second slow : Many minutes to start Firefox , and activate
>> a menu of it !
>>
>> What is the point of measuring milliseconds when the difference is around
>> many minutes ?
>>
>> PC-BSD installation ( it is a graphical installation after starting X ) is
>> taking many hours to reach 20 percent completion .
>> The same is for GhostBSD : Start it at night , at the next morning , it is
>> likely that it is not finished yet .
>>
>>
>> Then : WQhat will be measured ?
>>
>> Linux installations are around 30 minutes .
>> Starting/Opening menus are instantenous : I do no have chronometer , but
>> everything is within a second .
>>
>>
>> Thank you very much .
>
> The problem is that "slow" doesn't mean anything. An incomplete list of
> things it might be related to:
> 1. Something to do with the way KDE is built (options, system compiler)
> 2. A disk I/O issue
> 3. A memory speed issue
> 4. Some other process using CPU that isn't running on Linux
> 5. A scheduler issue triggered by some property of the machine
>
> Doing some of these smaller tests will help pin down which of these are
> causing the problem. Without that, there's no possibility to even start
> debugging. Even just running top and seeing whether you are spinning in
> a user thread, in the kernel, or waiting while the slow things are
> happening would be extremely helpful.
Surely you can eliminate all of those and confirm / deny the original
diagnosis by simply installing balanced memory in the machine and checking
to see if the problem goes away?
Could this be an NUMA related issue?
Regards
Steve
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