Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:03:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Brennan W Stehling <brennan@offwhite.net> To: Grigoriy Strokin <grg@philol.msu.ru> Cc: Doug Barton <Doug@gorean.org>, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world failed Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10004031459050.6280-100000@home.offwhite.net> In-Reply-To: <20000403235305.A84845@isabase.philol.msu.ru>
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Thanks for getting that updated. I am sure it will help many people. As for improving documentation I may just make a bsd search site. I think I can configure htdig to search multiple sites and hope to point them to several bsd sites which carry articles and documentation. I know that would help me a great deal. I purchased the domain the other day, greasydaemon.com. The focus of the site is meant to be bsd hardware, but I can add the search page for bsd sites onto it. Perhaps I will post instructions on how to get htdig configured for anyone who hopes to create their own search page. I am not sure how much traffic my server can handle. (not millions a day) Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin projects: www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com fortune: The best cure for insomnia is to get a lot of sleep. -- W. C. Fields On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Grigoriy Strokin wrote: > Here is my opninion. Although FreeBSD is a great system, its online > documentation is never up to date. Of course, it is the right > of FreeBSD developers to reply to any critic > "we are not payed for it, and we try to do our best in our scarce > time"... That's OK. > > However, I think that it would be more useful and constructive > to add a line "please don't miss /usr/src/UPDATING" to > makeworld.html and say > 'thanks, Brennan, you've found a documentation bug > and we've fixed it', instead of flaming Brennan, > and let the Hanbook reflect the situation > with FreeBSD 2.x rather than 4.x. > > > On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 02:19:05PM -0500, Brennan W Stehling wrote: > > Once again I get flamed. > > > > I am not saying I did not screw up the install. That is obvious, but the > > documentation did not give any warning that the 4.0 upgrade would not work > > as the ugprades from any of the 3.x upgrades did. I realize 4.0 has many > > radical changes, that is why I looked so hard to find more documentation > > on the site. > > > > I was subscribed to freebsd-announce and did not see anything on that list > > to offer warning. I also looked over the site for any indication that the > > upgrade would be different than before. Again I did not find anything. > > > > So I followed the same path as I did in all my previously successful > > upgrades. Does that seem like a bad idea to you? > > > > Of course I could have read 8 README files for some word of warning or new > > instructions and joined the list 2 months in advance, but the fact > > remains, the documentation for "make world" did not help me. And I did > > read the errata, release and announce files. They told me a few things, > > but nothing about using a different upgrade routine. > > > > The makeworld.html page has side notes for 2.2.5, but nothing for the > > current and stable versions. It just makes sense to me that any important > > changes would be reflect on that page. Afterall, it is the official > > FreeBSD handbook while the mailing list may not offer accurate help. > > > > The page also does not have modification date displayed anywhere. If it > > had shown it had not been updated for 6 months I would be encourged to > > join the list for more current information, but it did not. > > > > It has also been my experience that mailing lists are usually very busy > > with information I do not need. In fact, half of the responses have been > > insults and flames. > > > > In the future I think I will stick to reading online documentation and > > avoid the mailing lists. > > > > Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin > > projects: www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com > > > > fortune: > > Insanity is hereditary. You get it from your kids. > > > > On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Doug Barton wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Brennan W Stehling wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The problem was that the makeworld.html page did not warn that moving from > > > > 3.x to 4.0 needed to be done differently. > > > > > > The actual problem was that you stuck to that web page as your > > > only source of information. Right at the very top of that page, in bold > > > letters it says that you need to subscribe to and read the -stable and/or > > > -current mailing lists before trying to track -stable. If you had done > > > that, you would have seen ample discussion about the particular problems > > > related to that upgrade. > > > > > > I realize that you don't want to accept responsibility for your > > > actions, but please stop posting hear trying to convince us that there is > > > some way we could have unloaded the gun before you pointed it at your > > > foot. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Doug > > > -- > > > "So, the cows were part of a dream that dreamed itself into > > > existence? Is that possible?" asked the student incredulously. > > > The master simply replied, "Mu." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > -- > === Grigoriy Strokin, Lomonosov University (MGU), Moscow === > === contact info: http://isabase.philol.msu.ru/~grg/ === > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
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