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Date:      Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:21:15 -0700 (MST)
From:      Warren Block <wblock@wonkity.com>
To:        Chris H <chris#@1command.com>
Cc:        faber@isi.edu, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: ATI Radeon LW RV200 Mobility 7500 M7 locks up on X exit
Message-ID:  <alpine.BSF.2.00.1102151310260.16885@wonkity.com>
In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1102150844570.15948@wonkity.com>
References:  <20110211191232.GA2073@zod.isi.edu> <86ce5acff788efe61ceabdffe9b194fd.HRCIM@webmail.1command.com> <20110214182159.GB47006@zod.isi.edu> <ccf01657a0b306afbd18da26f230839e.HRCIM@webmail.1command.com> <alpine.BSF.2.00.1102141526350.12645@wonkity.com> <07d729abeedc3b764dccc00cf73b7762.HRCIM@webmail.1command.com> <alpine.BSF.2.00.1102150844570.15948@wonkity.com>

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On Tue, 15 Feb 2011, Warren Block wrote:

> There are people who have difficulty with hal, and a much larger number who 
> dislike it.  I'd contend that problems with hal are not very widespread, or 
> there would be a call for the Handbook X11 configuration section to change.

Just to add something I should have mentioned in the first message:

One reason for problems with hal is the use of AllowEmptyInput "Off". 
Usually it causes the "sticky mouse pointer" problem, but not always. 
So many people were using AEI that I decided to write an article about 
it: http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/aei.html

The short version of that: don't use AEI at all.  If you want to 
disable hal device detection in xorg, use AutoAddDevices Off, or build 
xorg-server without hal support.

If anyone has the lockup-on-x-exit problem and is using AEI Off, please 
change it to AutoAddDevices Off and see if it makes a difference.  It 
may also be due to window manager/desktop environment, or 32- or 64-bit 
OS.  Mine have mostly been xfce4 on 32-bit 8-stable, which may be why I 
haven't seen it.



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