Date: Sun, 10 May 2026 19:35:33 -0500 From: Jason Bacon <bacon4000@gmail.com> To: linuxblood <linuxblood@proton.me>, =?UTF-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= <des@FreeBSD.org> Cc: "Mark G." <fbsd.questions@palaceofretention.ca>, "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>, jwb@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Unable to boot after update from within auto-admin Message-ID: <e81c9739-7e37-4309-a89b-5bb495e29ba3@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <cBnoPJ9M2RkXEKOU9NVjbgKl_R0KFHqXTQq6-lhQIPmAVK8nMi3BEZxzKBSwElqSncibmSBBeF_P-8WEMtVXvWNco8olwzhOzfECi91lfmk=@proton.me> References: <-jWXlivnnS6JzOLtgdKgTjey5u550bHgIug6b2nMu8bxryJ5eNyXIQkpWZZ-q0Jbs8ndjWl0O521ZbDfIneWs2g0rquBziWMWrZqDBUiusY=@proton.me> <H1NGyZ4b9k7LzchPk_nYZo-aPIKfj9salcmZH3VUMeHS5FmH7icoIy1UvXCR5cEd4tc-MRG5mAL-19GzYDUg26GGtlRTlvli5oqMchdjz_8=@proton.me> <a674de1599b7618ce6a7fb1f806df96c@smokepit.net> <hu6VNttxK1rW0gYQx80gjmJh6rjTg_ZPi73extFEtM1qKn7mwXYFpCViXmwzLNHgzvuDbwRt0jhxpFvJVVydtwTuAYQ37sp47jiAJbLUUWM=@proton.me> <5f88b5f5e25c7fca7c5f3af2e74ab070@smokepit.net> <bMqPt6T-h2jSNbr3LzJIV1beY6OZGVb4xmJtEEK_OyRSsnKGLQCZjb-TkiR73ZCiP3mJNFRtHsKAUJrK1jSH3AkCnb7n6l3BulLCYsNBMzM=@proton.me> <74dfc07e-0433-425f-b1d4-c02254eb06ce@palaceofretention.ca> <oDhPKKaVHGzsq0f3uGohg5sJB0AHZFwi1CT8ViFSyc3w3gFBf8Yyo6jA_cYnmEADg6pIF8m6kmZtyABJaCF-F4VfhbNT62NK7opZYg3jL2A=@proton.me> <86se7zrpgn.fsf@ltc.des.dev> <cBnoPJ9M2RkXEKOU9NVjbgKl_R0KFHqXTQq6-lhQIPmAVK8nMi3BEZxzKBSwElqSncibmSBBeF_P-8WEMtVXvWNco8olwzhOzfECi91lfmk=@proton.me>
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On 5/10/26 15:52, linuxblood wrote: > On Sunday, May 10th, 2026 at 8:15 PM, Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des@FreeBSD.org> wrote: > >> I've never used auto-admin but I don't think this is fair. We don't >> know exactly what it did to render your system unbootable. It is >> possible that a manual upgrade would have had the same result. I >> suggest you have a chat with Jason about it, I'm sure he'll be happy to >> help figure out what went wrong. > > I sincerely apologize. I didn't mean to be rude. I was just so frustrated over the ordeal and my comment was going overboard, I'm sorry. > > I'm sure the program is useful, but the way I discovered it with an out of place popup and how badly it borked my system was unusual to say the least. > > I'm happy to discuss anything with the developer(s) but I'm not all that experienced with FreeBSD yet to be able to have a useful dialogue, beyond how my install was setup, what occurred, etc. > > Everyone in the world of FreeBSD has been so kind to me, I don't mean to ruffle any feathers. I did not see the original message, so I have no idea what the circumstances even were, but if the update was in response to a popup message, that would mean routine package, ports, and base updates, performed by auto-update-system via freebsd-update-notify. It's highly unlikely that auto-update-system would lead to any issues, since all it ultimately does is run "pkg upgrade", "git pull", and "freebsd-update fetch install" (if not using pkgbase). Beyond that, it mostly just performs a lot of checks, to inform the user if a reboot is needed, etc. The auto-upgrade-base script (which does not yet do anything with pkgbase), would pose a slightly higher risk, but also merely automates the same commands the user would run by hand (freebsd-update upgrade, freebsd-update install, reboot, freebsd-update install). I've been using both these tools for many years (auto-upgrade-base probably 100 times, auto-update-system thousands of times) and never experienced an unbootable system following their use. In fact, I can't actually recall a FreeBSD system ever becoming unbootable following an upgrade, even before I created these tools. Only freebsd-update and pkg upgrade with pkgbase have the potential to lead to an unbootable system, and that's highly unlikely if the pre-update system was clean. I would look for a hardware issue, or some sort of pre-existing system corruption caused by other activities before the update. -- Life is a game. Play hard. Play fair. Have fun.home | help
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