Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2025 21:05:13 -0400 From: Karl Denninger <karl@denninger.net> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: An idea for the EFI (LUA) loader.... Message-ID: <eef03d5d-c906-40ea-b319-0497eda6812b@denninger.net>
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<p>Here's the scenario: <i>You have an embedded system that boots
EFI.=C2=A0 You can't control other than the media that's in the b=
ox
that it boots from (which someone sticks in there.)=C2=A0 There m=
ight
be other media in there, and there might not.</i></p>
<p>Right now the FreeBSD EFI loader will boot from the first
bootable "thing" it finds unless told otherwise (e.g. "rootdev=3D")=
</p>
<p>The problem is that it wants something like "rootdev=3Ddisk0s1a" -=
-
a full specification.</p>
<p>But what happens if someone sticks another device in there <i>and
the EFI BIOS enumerates it first?</i>=C2=A0 Its not bootable (doe=
sn't
have an EFI partition) so the BIOS doesn't try to boot it, but it
<i>does </i>enumerate it so now the disk is "disk1s1a" -- and if
you set disk0 you are now stuck at the loader prompt.</p>
<p>Which is ok if there's a console you can key in where to boot
from and then fix loader.conf.=C2=A0 If the machine is headless....=
=2E</p>
<p>If loader.efi could take a syntax <i>without </i>the disk (e.g.
"s1a") and, if that was what was specified <i>it would look on
the device loader.efi was loaded from </i>then it wouldn't
matter if someone did this.=C2=A0 Once the kernel is loaded it shou=
ld
be ok.</p>
<p>You'd think you could detect this with either efibootmgr (what
order will it enumerate in?) or from sysctl to figure out where it
booted from, but nope -- what's in there may not match how the
BIOS enumerated it, never mind that someone could unplug a USB
device (or pull an nVME stick) and change it.=C2=A0 I've got a mach=
ine
here that demonstrates this; it SAYS it loaded off disk0 but the
BIOS says the boot device is disk1 and if I put disk0.... in
loader.conf it tries to boot the nVME device instead of the USB
stick.<br>
</p>
<p>A minimal way would be to be able to discern what the BIOS saw as
the enumerated device it loaded from, but even better, I think,
would be to be able to specify just the partition and
slice/filesystem and have the drive default to "where loader.efi
came from" which, I suspect, would resolve both possibilities.=C2=A0=
Obviously if the BIOS enumerates something that has a valid EFI
partition it can still get it wrong but if not that should work --
yes?<br>
</p>
<p>Am I nuts? :-)</p>
<p>PS: I've got zero experience with lua as a language so if I start
digging into this the learning curve might be pretty steep where
for someone who's coded in lua it might be five minutes.....
unless I'm wildly off-base here.<br>
</p>
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Karl Denninger<br>
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