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Date:      Sat, 7 Jun 2008 14:58:54 -0700
From:      Jo Rhett <jrhett@netconsonance.com>
To:        Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org>
Cc:        freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Paul Schmehl <pschmehl_lists_nada@tx.rr.com>
Subject:   Re: challenge: end of life for 6.2 is premature with buggy 6.3
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On Jun 6, 2008, at 11:41 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote:
> As said before, the reason FreeBSD isn't supporting older 6.x releases
> anymore is because there's just no manpower to do so.

Which is what I was asking about.  I've asked the questions more  
specifically since they apparently weren't phrased well the first  
time.  It would be great to hear answers to those questions.

> I still don't think you get it. FreeBSD is a community. A community
> works when enough people contribute positively towards furthering the
> goals of the project. Jo is a user. He sounds like he is using it in
> some reasonably critical and money-earning roles. Jo can participate
> by testing stuff on test hardware, reporting back issues and working
> with the community.

Which I do.  If you check out my bug reports they almost always  
include patches.

I've also added freebsd support to many projects, including full  
package management in the latest versions of cfengine.

> Bitching about there being no long-term support
> for releases isn't constructive. Some developer comments may not be
> constructive either, but this is a -community project-. Join the
> -community- and help out.

Am I missing an ID card?  Where should I go to acquire one?

When there is a specific issue I can help with, I do.  In this case I  
was asking about the justification for dropping support so quickly.

> It doesn't matter if running a long-term support project would be
> beneficial for a certain subset of the userbase, its a losing
> situation to cater to them unless they somehow contribute back to the
> community.


I work on bugs for things I can help with.  I add freebsd support to  
various projects.  I test and report bugs on new releases.  I spend at  
least 10% (and sometimes more) of my paid $EMPLOYER's time working on  
freebsd things, and countless hours of unpaid time.  I don't know that  
I can do any more than this.

-- 
Jo Rhett
Net Consonance : consonant endings by net philanthropy, open source  
and other randomness



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