Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2022 01:00:09 +0200 From: =?utf-8?Q?Klaus_K=C3=BCchemann?= <maciphone2@googlemail.com> To: Hans Petter Selasky <hps@selasky.org>, John Kennedy <warlock@phouka.net>, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Accessibility in the FreeBSD installer and console Message-ID: <011CA96A-75B1-4077-A0AB-AFB7F4F851AA@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <ffe4e190-07bd-8873-03f7-e969ea78403a@selasky.org> References: <a26455cf-0e86-7932-f9e4-f4cb013f7737@selasky.org> <45ACA785-05BF-496B-8D0A-AD2A4A2293D1@googlemail.com> <YsdPereWgzPLLMyA@phouka1.phouka.net> <ffe4e190-07bd-8873-03f7-e969ea78403a@selasky.org>
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> Am 07.07.2022 um 23:48 schrieb Hans Petter Selasky <hps@selasky.org>: > > On 7/7/22 23:26, John Kennedy wrote: >> On Thu, Jul 07, 2022 at 10:11:52PM +0200, Klaus Küchemann wrote: >>>> Am 07.07.2022 um 19:32 schrieb Hans Petter Selasky <hps at selasky org>: >>>> The only argument I've heard from some non-sighted friends about not using FreeBSD natively is that ooh, MacOSX is so cool. It starts speaking from the start if I press this and this key. Is anyone here working on or wanting such a feature? >>> >>> Possibly they didn’t want to be rude and your friends didn't tell you the other argument :-) : according to the corresponding wiki page FreeBSD doesn't natively support any audio output at all on your friends current M1 Mac hardware. >>> since quite nothing is currently supported you probably will first take over working on the Audio driver …..and of course USB :-) >> I think a huge benefit that Apple would have is that they might be >> able to guarantee some sort of audio speaker, period, since they >> control the hardware that the software runs on. That might be a big ask >> on FreeBSD, but maybe if there was some relatively ubiqitous > > Hi, > > Does Apple support voice-over in its bootloaders too? I think not, so at some point of technical breakage you will be stuck anyway - right? > > —HPS good point … ( I think you mean feature textToSpeech when e.g. keyboard-interrupting into the fbsd-boot prompt in native Mac boot) But implementing text to speech in native u-boot/uefi & FreeBSD bootloader on a Mac? ..sounds like a huge project after having FreeBSD natively ported to Apple M1/M2.. But if that’s on your list I would not underestimate you :-) ...of course you would have VoiceOver/TextToSpeech e.g. in a uart- shell console when booting FreeBSD native on another board/machine…and that seems to be the easiest way for non-sighted FreeBSD users/developers using the Mac platform for VoiceOver who want to use fbsd-current native( those who are interested in bootloader issues;-) If you meant VoiceOver in MacOS bootloader : Macusers expect their Macs problem-free, a special world, unknown in FreeBSD:-) There are exceptions, e.g. if you use a new MacOS on an older unsupported Mac - but VoiceOver wouldn’t help much there ;-) K.home | help
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