Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 04:52:06 +0000 From: Gerry Weaver <gerryw@compvia.com> To: "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org> Subject: RE: The future of fortune(6) Message-ID: <bd0ec3f0008340639b62dd16893c92ae@MBX02A-IAD3.mex08.mlsrvr.com> In-Reply-To: <CACcTwY=r2=V8yd5WiP_iTV_oaThub9toOEbqET0givPwmVJQpg@mail.gmail.com> References: <66D39828-ADBA-4973-BEB8-B2F6657E9996@FreeBSD.org> <201711261832.vAQIWNaV006777@mail.KARELS.NET> <CACcTwY=r2=V8yd5WiP_iTV_oaThub9toOEbqET0givPwmVJQpg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello All, Why not just keep fortune and tips in base and push the rest to a package? = This way history could be reasonably preserved and you would have to opt = in to get the rest.=20 BTW: I apologize, if someone has already suggested this. I may have missed = a few posts. Thanks, -G -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-hackers@freeb= sd.org] On Behalf Of Bill Sorenson Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 10:31 PM To: mike@karels.net Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Benno Rice <benno@freebsd.org>; freebsd-ar= ch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The future of fortune(6) > No kidding. At least 30 years ago, when I was at CSRG, a female=20 > professor complained that she had received an offensive fortune when she = logged out. > After some investigation, we found that she was using her husband's=20 > account, and he had "fortune -o" in his .logout file. Case closed. > > Mike > I want to 2nd Mike Karels' sentiments. There is a *big* - huge - massive di= fference between words people don't like and someone being offensive. I don't want to give the impression that I see value in having Hitler quote= s in base, I don't, its out. Great by me. At the same time I don't see the = value of scrubbing base of arrangements of words people don't like. If I se= e that fortune spits out a Rush Limbaugh quote, a Hitler quote, an Franklin= D Roosevelt quote or an Al Franken quote or a bad joke I for one don't ins= tantly come to the assumption that this is somehow an endorsement by the pr= oject or even a commiter of any particular thing. Its just stuff in history= . In a way thats really what fortune is, a collection of history (even if j= ust FreeBSD tips). Frankly, I'm a bit offended (if mildly) by the stance that "we've decided t= o excise fortune from base because its a tool used to spread hate and bad i= deas." This is dangerously approaching the point of censoring the project b= ecause of how people might decide to use the software. Even Richard Stallma= n doesn't go for this sort of thing. Maybe we should start to discuss ripping OpenSSH out of base because it cou= ld be used in the commission of a felony or to hurt somebody's feelings. I = don't want to remove vi from base just because I feel stupid after using it= . There is a cost to having a free and open society, one of those is that s= omeone may use fortune to print detestable quotes about Hitler on their ter= minal. I for one would recommend leaving things alone unless it is a substantive i= mprovement. -Bill S. _______________________________________________ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/= listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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