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Date:      Mon, 27 Nov 2017 04:52:06 +0000
From:      Gerry Weaver <gerryw@compvia.com>
To:        "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>
Subject:   RE: The future of fortune(6)
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Hello All,

Why not just keep fortune and tips in base and push the rest to a package? =
This way history could be   reasonably preserved and you would have to opt =
in to get the rest.=20

BTW: I apologize, if someone has already suggested this. I may have missed =
a few posts.

Thanks,
-G
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-hackers@freeb=
sd.org] On Behalf Of Bill Sorenson
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 10:31 PM
To: mike@karels.net
Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Benno Rice <benno@freebsd.org>; freebsd-ar=
ch@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: The future of fortune(6)

> No kidding.  At least 30 years ago, when I was at CSRG, a female=20
> professor complained that she had received an offensive fortune when she =
logged out.
> After some investigation, we found that she was using her husband's=20
> account, and he had "fortune -o" in his .logout file.  Case closed.
>
>                 Mike
>

I want to 2nd Mike Karels' sentiments. There is a *big* - huge - massive di=
fference between words people don't like and someone being offensive.

I don't want to give the impression that I see value in having Hitler quote=
s in base, I don't, its out. Great by me. At the same time I don't see the =
value of scrubbing base of arrangements of words people don't like. If I se=
e that fortune spits out a Rush Limbaugh quote, a Hitler quote, an Franklin=
 D Roosevelt quote or an Al Franken quote or a bad joke I for one don't ins=
tantly come to the assumption that this is somehow an endorsement by the pr=
oject or even a commiter of any particular thing. Its just stuff in history=
. In a way thats really what fortune is, a collection of history (even if j=
ust FreeBSD tips).

Frankly, I'm a bit offended (if mildly) by the stance that "we've decided t=
o excise fortune from base because its a tool used to spread hate and bad i=
deas." This is dangerously approaching the point of censoring the project b=
ecause of how people might decide to use the software. Even Richard Stallma=
n doesn't go for this sort of thing.
Maybe we should start to discuss ripping OpenSSH out of base because it cou=
ld be used in the commission of a felony or to hurt somebody's feelings. I =
don't want to remove vi from base just because I feel stupid after using it=
. There is a cost to having a free and open society, one of those is that s=
omeone may use fortune to print detestable quotes about Hitler on their ter=
minal.

I for one would recommend leaving things alone unless it is a substantive i=
mprovement.

-Bill S.
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