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Date:      Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:40:33 -0500
From:      Zhihao Yuan <lichray@gmail.com>
To:        Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@freebsd.org>
Cc:        FreeBSD Hackers <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>, Lorenzo Cogotti <miciamail@hotmail.it>
Subject:   Re: Providing a default graphical environment on FreeBSD
Message-ID:  <CAGsORuD--BKCVB5wHEw5Q5SedhJ0reFVJtC3628tJAncbmgr8Q@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <63226.1347899311@critter.freebsd.dk>
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On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@freebsd.org> wrote:
> In message <CAGsORuB4yd8RKNLRWmcTx16iDOHWJkD1rnyArb98NwN+pwvPHA@mail.gmail.com>
> , Zhihao Yuan writes:
>>On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@freebsd.org> wrote:
>
>>> My suggest was 100% serious:  Assume X11 _is_ the graphical
>>> environment, pick a toolkit which is written to work with
>>> any window manager, which all good toolkits are, and move on.
>>
>>You can "assume", but you can't deny that X11 is not GUI at all, and
>>twm is not a modern GUI either.
>
> You are confusing "window manager" and "graphical user interface",
> one is layered on the other, your homework is to figure out which.

GUI is a concept. People can use WM or DE as their GUIs. X11 is not
usable from a user's point of view, so it's out of the question. So
far, your statement "Assume X11 _is_ the graphical environment" is
already nonsense.

And then, a modern GUI should take care of Wifi, automount, and many
things can't be done with a single WM. That's why I said "twm is not a
modern GUI". So far, any questions?

>
> --
> Poul-Henning Kamp       | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20
> phk@FreeBSD.ORG         | TCP/IP since RFC 956
> FreeBSD committer       | BSD since 4.3-tahoe
> Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.



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