Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 10:09:52 -0600 From: Tim Judd <tajudd@gmail.com> To: Tim Gustafson <tjg@soe.ucsc.edu> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS Boot Support from Installer Message-ID: <ade45ae90908140909w959aa32gd2acb1a77024d9b3@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1001036116.730501250265523013.JavaMail.root@mail-01.cse.ucsc.edu> References: <1250265019.2306.35.camel@soundwave.ws.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com> <1001036116.730501250265523013.JavaMail.root@mail-01.cse.ucsc.edu>
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On 8/14/09, Tim Gustafson <tjg@soe.ucsc.edu> wrote: >> No one has gone near that stuff in years. We don't even >> have gmirror(8) creation support in there. Best not to use >> sysinst. The livefs image has all of the tools that you >> need to bootstrap a system. > > That's a silly answer. The way to get more people to use FreeBSD is to make > the installation process as easy and complete as possible. If bootstrapping > a system using the livefs file system is possible, then there's no reason > that the functionality couldn't or shouldn't be built into the installer. > > Yes, a higher-level sysadmin can do it...but the vast majority of people who > administer servers for a living are not higher-level sysadmins. And those who are unfamiliar with a system will likely use the default filesystem an OS provides. That's UFS2 for most people. Especially since ZFS is still considered experimental, I find it unreasonable to have the installer support something that isn't considered permanent. Also, since ZFS is a hog when it comes to system resources, works best on amd64, and many other factors/tuning, you expect this all to be available if someone wants to install to an embedded firewall? Or to some little special purpose system? I don't use ZFS, UFS2 works fine for me. I would find it ridiculous to see ZFS support in the installer, but all GEOM should be supported. Especially the raid3 and mirror. I think you're expecting the world... Maybe a check is in order. > Tim Gustafson > Baskin School of Engineering > UC Santa Cruz > tjg@soe.ucsc.edu > 831-459-5354
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