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Date:      Mon, 24 Feb 2014 23:56:21 -0500
From:      Jason Hellenthal <jhellenthal@dataix.net>
To:        Daniel Braniss <danny@cs.huji.ac.il>
Cc:        "freebsd-filesystems@freebsd.org" <freebsd-filesystems@freebsd.org>, Perry Hutchison <perryh@pluto.rain.com>, "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>, Willem Jan Withagen <wjw@digiware.nl>, Jordan Hubbard <jordan.hubbard@gmail.com>, Bakul Shah <bakul@bitblocks.com>
Subject:   Re: Thoughts on Multi-Symlink Concept
Message-ID:  <1447F7F5-8030-4340-B4E3-7A3EAF8055D3@dataix.net>
In-Reply-To: <D52E1550-2834-4BCB-BDFA-BF59C221FC0D@cs.huji.ac.il>
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That's a bit more complicated than the average Yogi bear would look for thou=
gh.

--=20
 Jason Hellenthal
 Voice: 95.30.17.6/616
 JJH48-ARIN

> On Feb 24, 2014, at 3:39, Daniel Braniss <danny@cs.huji.ac.il> wrote:
>=20
> and we also have automount/amd/am-utils/autofs =E2=80=A6
>=20
> here we have /usr/local via am-utils mounted to the correct arch/os/versio=
n.
>=20
> danny
>=20
>=20
>> On Feb 23, 2014, at 10:02 PM, Bakul Shah <bakul@bitblocks.com> wrote:
>>=20
>>=20
>>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 7:13 PM, Jordan Hubbard <jordan.hubbard@gmail.com> w=
rote:
>>>=20
>>> Indeed.  I often tell interns who are looking for interesting project id=
eas to simply look back into our own past.  Almost all the really interestin=
g and cool research activities where operating systems are concerned seems t=
o have happened between the years of 1970-1990.    Sprite, Plan 9, Mach (hey=
, file space name servers anyone?), Domain OS, all kinds of neat ideas that s=
adly died or were forgotten in the name of consolidation, performance and ex=
pedience.  Indeed, the performance of some of those concepts was actually ra=
ther woeful when 4MB of memory and 1MIP were all you one to work with.  Mayb=
e now that we have more hardware horsepower than we almost know what to do w=
ith, it=E2=80=99s time for some of those ideas to enjoy a renaissance?   Sou=
nds like a good EuroBSDCon or BSDCan talk. :-)
>>=20
>> Plan9 is alive and well! Well, at least used by a small but
>> a diverse group of people! And with the advent of the plan9
>> RaspberryPi port I see new people playing with it!
>>=20
>> With Plan9 style per process name space, 9P protocol (to
>> easily construct a filesystem API for anything), mount()
>> syscall to connect to a fileserver speaking 9p, and bind()
>> syscall to overlay/underlay a filetree on another, you can
>> achieve the equivalent of variant symlinks and much more!
>> You can easily implement a 'multi-symlink' fs as well!
>>=20
>> On plan9 all device drivers also speak 9p so you can even
>> mount a remote network stack on your local machine (no need
>> for NAT!). User programs such as rio (a window manager) and
>> acme (an editor) also provide FS access to their facilities =20
>> which makes it easy to write scripts to interact with them.
>>=20
>> Some examples:
>>=20
>> bind $ARCH/bin /bin     # now files in $ARCH/bin appear in /bin
>>=20
>> mount /srv/dump /n/dump dump # make the dump fs available at /n/dump
>> bind /n/dump/2013/11/12/arm/lib/libc.a /arm/lib/libc.a
>> 5c -o foo foo.c         # now foo is linked with libc.a of 12-Nov-2013
>>=20
>> 9fs sources     # /n/sources points to sources/ on sources.cs.bell-labs.c=
om
>> bind /n/sources/plan9/sys/src /sys/src  # overlay on local /sys/src
>>=20
>> There is already support for 9P in Linux, Qemu and few other
>> places as it is pretty simple to add.  UCB's many core=20
>> research OS Akaros is using 9p and the network stack from
>> plan9.
>>=20
>> If anyone is inspired to add 9p & friends support to FreeBSD,
>> I encourage you to play with plan9 on the RaspberryPi as it is
>> pretty easy to use and lots of fun. [Kernel compile takes a
>> minute on the RasPi.  The equivalent of `make buildworld
>> buildkernel' about 4 minutes. Of course, the system is pretty
>> minimal]
>>=20
>>=20
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