Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 10:04:06 -0600 From: Nate Williams <nate@trout.sri.MT.net> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@time.cdrom.com> Cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" <rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com>, phk@ref.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp), nate@trout.sri.MT.net, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: What I'd *really like* for 2.0.5 Message-ID: <199504291604.KAA24827@trout.sri.MT.net> In-Reply-To: <13753.799154952@time.cdrom.com> References: <199504290700.AAA08761@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> <13753.799154952@time.cdrom.com>
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> > Then I counter with the opposite argument, I can't see what did not > > get found after boot if you remove the not found messages. Right > > now I can use dmesg or look in /var/log/messages and see it, but if > > you remove those I would have no way to find out what I told it > > to probe for but it did not find :-(. > > Now we're getting silly. If your system works fine then you don't > care. Correct, you don't care. If it's a zillion lines long the average user doesn't care. > I don't need to grep through dmesg output to find that my primary SCSI > controller has not been found - that's generally pretty obvious to me > after a a minute or so! :-) Yes, but it not obvious why. And userconfig is completely undocumented. > By contrast, the devices it typically doesn't find (the blend0 blender > driver and the god0 weather control device) are devices that I don't > have, will never have and further more could care absolutely less > about not having. Actually, this in untrue. IMHO, the devices that aren't found are the ones which are the most interesting to the user. Having *extremely* verbose default boot messages is a bane to them, but having very short and sweet one-liners explaining where things were configuref is still a good thing. > Everyone here is talking like hackers - we want to know what's in the > engine and how hot it's running at all times. Yep, because we as the 'hackers' are generally the folks answering the questions from the users. > The majority of drivers > don't care one whit and just want to drive it down the freeway without > a christmas tree of lights blinking on the dashboard telling them > everything from the ambient outside temperature to the rotational > speed of each tire. Ever seen some of the newer cars startup? All the lights blinks on and off at startup to let you know it all works. Bad analogy. :-) Nate
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