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Date:      Wed, 21 Sep 2022 15:50:20 -0600
From:      Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
To:        Larry Rosenman <ler@lerctr.org>
Cc:        Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@freebsd.org>, Mike Karels <mike@karels.net>,  Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com>, Brooks Davis <brooks@freebsd.org>,  src-committers <src-committers@freebsd.org>,  "<dev-commits-src-all@freebsd.org>" <dev-commits-src-all@freebsd.org>, dev-commits-src-main@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: git: 24e1824e4646 - main - Deprecate telnet daemon
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On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 3:21 PM Larry Rosenman <ler@lerctr.org> wrote:

> On 09/21/2022 4:11 pm, Gleb Smirnoff wrote:
> > Mike,
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 01:02:17PM -0500, Mike Karels wrote:
> > M> I have no problem with deprecating (or removing) telnetd in base.  I
> > M> think the client should remain, though.  I use it frequently,
> > although
> > M> not on the telnet port.  ftp* are another issue; anonymous FTP is a
> > M> perfectly reasonable usage.  I use it to download FreeBSD images
> > often.
> >
> > Is there any service where telnet to a port would be preferred over
> > nc(1)?
>
> telnet <host> <port> is basically finger memory (at least for me), and
> nc isn't
> in base (AFAIR)
>

Deprecating telnet***d***  doesn't change that at all. telnet, the client,
is still in
base.. but so is nc and it has been since (git blame
usr.bin/nc/Makefile.... ) 2005.

Warner

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 3:21 PM Larry=
 Rosenman &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ler@lerctr.org">ler@lerctr.org</a>&gt; wrot=
e:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0=
.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 09/21/2022=
 4:11 pm, Gleb Smirnoff wrote:<br>
&gt; Mike,<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 01:02:17PM -0500, Mike Karels wrote:<br>
&gt; M&gt; I have no problem with deprecating (or removing) telnetd in base=
.=C2=A0 I<br>
&gt; M&gt; think the client should remain, though.=C2=A0 I use it frequentl=
y, <br>
&gt; although<br>
&gt; M&gt; not on the telnet port.=C2=A0 ftp* are another issue; anonymous =
FTP is a<br>
&gt; M&gt; perfectly reasonable usage.=C2=A0 I use it to download FreeBSD i=
mages <br>
&gt; often.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Is there any service where telnet to a port would be preferred over <b=
r>
&gt; nc(1)?<br>
<br>
telnet &lt;host&gt; &lt;port&gt; is basically finger memory (at least for m=
e), and <br>
nc isn&#39;t<br>
in base (AFAIR)<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Deprecating telnet***d*=
**=C2=A0 doesn&#39;t change that at all. telnet, the client, is still in<br=
></div><div>base.. but so is nc and it has been since (git blame usr.bin/nc=
/Makefile.... ) 2005.</div><div><br></div><div>Warner<br></div></div></div>

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