Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 17:14:07 +0000 From: Ruslan Shevchenko <rssh@cam.grad.ipri.kiev.ua> To: wghhicks@ix.netcom.com Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD slogan/advert ideas Message-ID: <345A11DF.75AD9E8@cam.grad.ipri.kiev.ua> References: <199710302257.QAA15890@Mercury.mcs.net> <199710310108.LAA00321@word.smith.net.au> <19971031122915.60452@lemis.com> <3459ED5A.9FF16E75@cam.grad.ipri.kiev.ua> <3459DEEB.DBA0B1FE@ix.netcom.com>
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Jerry Hicks wrote:
> Ruslan Shevchenko wrote:
> ?
> ? In reality, FreeBSD can not be concurentable ws NT, we have few big
> ? problems:
> At our shop, in reality, we get more *done* on our FreeBSD boxes.
>
> ? 1. bad java support
> ? 1. biss-awt won't work (on 2.2-stable)
> ? 2. port of latest jdk from sun is absent.
> Java is another infantile disorder (see Dijkstra). It's also from Sun.
> For the first time in history, the entire computing industry is
> preparing to embrace a proprietary, unstandardized, unverifiable,
> incomplete language. Blech.
>
> If Sun chose to make the regression test suites public (they aren't),
> then perhaps the library support would be better for all platforms, not
> just FreeBSD.
>
> Have you ever seen the Java source distribution? Licensing terms?
> Double-blech.
>
Good. but exist reality. In reality, I must use corporate database,
and have ability to run/ *quickly* develop clients with graphical
interface.
Java is a goot tool, as Delphi for Windows.
(I'm not Java patriot, or Delphi patriot, but
as IT manager I can not choose something else)
(Tk-perl with connect to internal Oracle client,
running on top of SCO emulator ???)
> ? 2. We have not GUI admin interface for FreeBSD,
> ? so newbaies will preffer other systems.
> Wahhh, write one. ;)
>
May be ;) (time;;))
> ? 3. near 80% of using computers is databases.
> ? we have not port of client software for well-known
> ? commerce databases (Oracle, Sysbase, Informix)
> 80%? What is your source for that figure? Faircom has an excellent
> well-known commercial database running on FreeBSD, more appropriate for
> many applications than those you mentioned. Source available too.
Thanks.
> ? 4. We have not good c++ compiler.
> ? gcc is great, but exceptions and namespaces are
> ? very important stuff for c++ programmers.
> ? And standart string class yet not well in 2.2-stable.
> Even so, we really do get more *done* on FreeBSD than our other
> systems. There are enough people using and developing for gcc that some
> critical mass has been reached. It'll happen. Probably way before Java
> is complete.
>
> We use RogueWave tools.h++ for commercial C++ apps. Works nicely.
>
> ?
>
> FreeBSD: No slogan required. It's good.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Jerry Hicks
> jerry_hicks@bigfoot.com
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