Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 15:28:34 -0700 From: Bryan Drewery <bdrewery@FreeBSD.org> To: Slawa Olhovchenkov <slw@zxy.spb.ru> Cc: John Baldwin <jhb@freebsd.org>, 'freebsd-arch' <freebsd-arch@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Retiring in-tree GDB Message-ID: <5626C012.5050009@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20151020222720.GA6469@zxy.spb.ru> References: <2678091.es0AGJQ0Ou@ralph.baldwin.cx> <5626B15C.4080408@FreeBSD.org> <20151020215008.GH42243@zxy.spb.ru> <5626BCB6.3000202@FreeBSD.org> <20151020222720.GA6469@zxy.spb.ru>
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[-- Attachment #1 --] On 10/20/2015 3:27 PM, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 03:14:14PM -0700, Bryan Drewery wrote: > >> On 10/20/2015 2:50 PM, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: >>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 02:25:48PM -0700, Bryan Drewery wrote: >>> >>>> On 10/20/2015 1:36 PM, John Baldwin wrote: >>>>> However, I would like to propose that we retire the in-tree GDB for some of >>>>> our platforms (namely x86) for 11. In particular, I think we should default >>>> >>>> Disabling/removing gdb. Definitely. It is unusable in many cases and the >>>> working gdb is just a 'pkg install' away. >>>> >>>>> to enabling lldb and disabling gdb for platforms that meet the following >>>> >>>> Why should we include lldb in the base system? It is not needed to build >>>> or use the system and we can easily provide one from packages. >>>> >>>> Arguments about providing a default working system don't work here for >>>> me as we don't provide perl, python, valgrind, vim, emacs, X11, etc. We >>>> can provide lldb and gdb on the default DVD though. >>>> >>>> If we are actually going to "package base" in 11, we should not be >>>> adding new things into base that can easily live in ports. Yes, I know >>>> lldb is already there but I don't think it should be. >>>> >>>> Can the same be said for tools such as truss, ktrace or nvi? Sure. The >>>> discussion is really "what packages should be installed by default". >>>> The answer should be "what all, or most, users _need_" Do most users >>>> need a debugger? I don't think so. >>> >>> When you need debuger you may don't have way to install it. >>> >> >> How did you get a system? >> >> DVD? 'pkg add /mnt/cd/packages/gdb.txz' >> Network? 'pkg install gdb' >> >> Fetching the packages to a USB drive from another system works too using >> 'pkg fetch -o'. > > You talk about healty system. > System may be semi-broken and need some assistance to r/w mount, for > example. > How does that relate to gdb? I can only read your example as suggesting we need a /rescue/gdb too. -- Regards, Bryan Drewery [-- Attachment #2 --] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJWJsASAAoJEDXXcbtuRpfPORUH/icLB41GrIrjF68irCNwkmFQ CDQSmlmP++3FuhwgghvftrjeHjq8PQiC0Tg8FuRbW8TVcY++iPsr7JO2cCv3ssTJ w1aBAV1t6MYzwyLCh8tKbt6wIkx3bzvTV9aNXMFbmCAR9cP163mtyJQpc2Num37D FowUxgPq1kPLfiY33+VwxcNvEEjPtu9m1OqB0ep0HfIpvriiVGkfGFh33c92w2w7 6gVFkO/ibPp4VOOrzsrmfmAbC72FIx48poZQjEAhRmLrUsGsKLZdFJcS2eu/lqTY hMNi9F2L/EycqQgGB6qNLlijScnIGVoXAK578F4wBshouS9noI5rGpWDRAE0zCI= =n/vh -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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