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Date:      Tue, 20 Oct 2015 01:41:54 -0400
From:      Yonas Yanfa <yonas@fizk.net>
To:        Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk>
Cc:        freebsd-current@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Depreciate and remove gbde
Message-ID:  <5625D422.4040402@fizk.net>
In-Reply-To: <95431.1445318836@critter.freebsd.dk>
References:  <56237623.5010702@fizk.net> <20151019234406.GA88752@cons.org> <CAGHfRMDdEhgUN_Xbw_KkoF_EpPCRn0E1ZXXvX6Ga2NFRKN1gPg@mail.gmail.com> <95431.1445318836@critter.freebsd.dk>

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On 10/20/2015 01:27, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
> --------
> In message <CAGHfRMDdEhgUN_Xbw_KkoF_EpPCRn0E1ZXXvX6Ga2NFRKN1gPg@mail.gmail.com>, NGie Cooper writes:
>
>> 1. Why are there 2 competing technologies?
> They are not competing, they support two very different threat models.

We need to make this a lot more clear in the Handbook. John-Mark is 
taking the charge here.

>> 3. Is there a gain/loss for removing gbde?
> Yes, you alienate a lot of users who very often are not even in a
> position to tell you they run FreeBSD.
>
> Think human rights activists for instance.

Couldn't they use a fake email address and Tor to communicate 
anonymously? I'd be surprised if they aren't already.

As I said to Martin, this point keeps coming up as though its grounds 
alone to leave gdbe in the tree forever. gdbe should stand on its 
technical merits. After reading your paper on gdbe, I understand those 
merits a lot better, but we should improve the Handbook so gdbe vs. geli 
strengths and weaknesses are better explained.


>
>> 4. Why is it marked experimental [still]?
> To make people think.
>

What it made me think was - "this software has been here for so many 
years and is still experimental and suspect??? It must have issues. Why 
is it still in the tree?"

Yonas

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