Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:39:12 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney <jmg@funkthat.com> To: Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org> Cc: freebsd-current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>, "freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org" <freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: [rfc] removing the NDISulator Message-ID: <20131023203912.GD94140@funkthat.com> In-Reply-To: <CAJ-VmonHcksMgQZ%2BmiLu%2BL60auRyTOAcENBFkpaA1xEWJXeQRw@mail.gmail.com> References: <5265878B.1050809@yandex.ru> <201310212146.r9LLkqZ1044966@fire.js.berklix.net> <CAJ-VmomzydOD-M1oePMuqrgdBCFMTXKCZcGVwu%2BLFTnHTGg0Kw@mail.gmail.com> <201310231023.32351.jhb@freebsd.org> <526810DB.20705@mu.org> <CAJ-VmonHcksMgQZ%2BmiLu%2BL60auRyTOAcENBFkpaA1xEWJXeQRw@mail.gmail.com>
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Adrian Chadd wrote this message on Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 11:11 -0700:
> On 23 October 2013 11:09, Alfred Perlstein <bright@mu.org> wrote:
>
> > Eh, having taken a stab at porting the bwl blob already, I would strongly
> >> oppose removing NDIS. If you do that I will just stop using my netbook
> >> with a Broadcom part altogether as I wouldn't be able to use it to try to
> >> test bwl changes. The NDIS thing is a bit hackish, but it is quite useful
> >> for a lot of folks.
> >>
> >> I have to agree. Deprecation != motivation.
>
>
> I can pull out examples of this not holding true:
>
> * all the giant locking in drivers
> * all the giant locking in VFS
>
> People did pop up and claim ownership of things they cared about. Some
> stuff died, some stuff didn't. There was enough of a motivation by us to
> kill giant off in these pathways so things could continue to evolve. We
> didn't leave the GIANT crutch in forever.
I'd say that locking a drive is a LOT easier than writing a driver
from scratch, esspecially if you don't have the specs.. This of course
coming from experience with both...
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