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Date:      Mon, 17 Dec 2001 16:14:08 -0800
From:      Brady Montz <bradym@balestra.org>
To:        freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: 4.4-STABLE crashes - suspects new ata-driver over wd-drivers
Message-ID:  <20011217161408.A31009@3docs.com>
In-Reply-To: <20011207133314.A20037@3docs.com>; from bradym@balestra.org on Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 01:33:14PM -0800
References:  <20011207133314.A20037@3docs.com>

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On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 01:33:14PM -0800, Brady Montz wrote:
> Richard Nyberg <rnyberg@it.su.se> writes: 
>  
> > On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 10:59:13AM +0100, Samuel Tardieu wrote: 
> > > I am experiencing the same crashes on my new machine (ATA100 IDE 
> > > drive): they appeared when I noticed that I had forgotten to use 
> > > soft-updates. After I have turned them on, I experienced the first 
> > > crash in 15 minutes. Then I get one every two days, when doing 
> > > heavy disk IOs. I got a crash 10 minutes ago when the machine was 
> > > unattended though (and not doing important disk IOs), and could 
> > > see a "panic" message on the console. Unfortunately, I hadn't 
> > > enough free space in /var/crash to save the kernel. 
> > >  
> > > Do you people use soft-updates? From my experience on this 
> > > problem, I assume that either soft-updates or the ATA driver may 
> > > be causing those spontanous reboots. 
> >  
> > Yes I use soft-updates. The peculiar thing aboout my crash though is that 
> > there was no panic; the machine just froze and the screen went blank, so 
> > maybe I was hit by a different problem. 
> >  
> >       -Richard 
> 
> Yeah, I'm using soft updates too. My crashes are generally the same as
> Richards - no panic, just a freeze. Except my screen doesn't go blank.

Here's an update ...

I'm fairly certain there's a kernel bug at work here. Last night I rebooted 
to linux (which is on the same disk), and ran batch compiles all
night long without any troubles. In comparision, I can't compile more than
an hour at a time with BSD 4.4 before it crashes.

Again, I ran memtest86 and it didn't find any memory errors, and I'm
not seeing any file system corruption, just hangs and reboots.

I am running the latest 4.4-stable. The other day I went back to 4.4-release
and that didn't help. I've tried both with and without softupdates. The
crashes seem to happen most often when accessing stuff from all over
the filesystem, such as during a large "make clean", or most reliably, with 
"portsdb -Uu". 

I am tiring of this. Someone else on this thread mentioned that
their 5.0 machine is doing fine. In what shape is that and how much effort
is it to move a 4.4 machine to 5.0? 

-- 
  Brady Montz
  bradym@balestra.org

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