Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2012 19:12:06 -0700 From: Doug Barton <dougb@FreeBSD.org> To: Erich Dollansky <erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> Cc: arch@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Removing CVS from HEAD Message-ID: <504D4C76.6080205@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20120910075241.3994a95e@X220.ovitrap.com> References: <CAF6rxgnZGjzm230sZXVXxmE7wPowF_BZqbwRjdvz8oV-03gS=A@mail.gmail.com> <20120908234659.GA10489@server.rulingia.com> <504BD9B5.20001@shatow.net> <504BE020.1070300@FreeBSD.org> <504BE12A.50907@shatow.net> <9A528A3C-40F1-4599-ACAB-EF306033A4F2@bsdimp.com> <86pq5vtj42.fsf@ds4.des.no> <alpine.BSF.2.00.1209091628400.13080@ai.fobar.qr> <20120910065532.3f029c4b@X220.ovitrap.com> <504D2DCD.8030508@FreeBSD.org> <20120910075241.3994a95e@X220.ovitrap.com>
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On 9/9/2012 5:52 PM, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sun, 09 Sep 2012 17:01:17 -0700
> Doug Barton <dougb@FreeBSD.org> wrote:
>
>> On 9/9/2012 4:55 PM, Erich Dollansky wrote:
>>> I would suggest to keep it in the system and announce its end when
>>> older system like 8.x or 9.x are at the end of their life time.
>>
>> I think you misunderstand the proposal. No one is suggesting removing
>> CVS from FreeBSD 7, 8, or 9. It will _only_ be removed from what is
>> now HEAD, which will eventually be 10.0-RELEASE.
>>
> this is how I understand it. The problem I see is from the end-user
> perspective. They will upgrade to 10 and suddenly everything they
> developed stops working.
You keep conveniently removing the parts of my posts where I point out
that CVS is now, and will remain, available from ports for those users.
And in the next few years there will be, as there already have been;
numerous announcements about the value of moving to subversion, new
mirrors, etc.
> I would suggest to start from the infrastructure side by getting more
> mirrors for the new system while phasing the mirrors for the old system
> out.
That's already in play, and will continue to improve in the years before
we even have a 10.0-RELEASE, never mind before it gets wide adoption.
> Users are then not forced to make the sudden change.
They won't be.
> Please do not tell me that they should read UPDATING. They only will
> after they ran into trouble.
If they miss all the memos about moving to subversion, that won't be our
fault. :)
> The moment you take out the knob off you also take out all CVS mirros.
This is quite simply untrue.
Doug
--
I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do
something. And I will not let what I cannot do interfere with what
I can do.
-- Edward Everett Hale, (1822 - 1909)
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