Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 05:28:31 -0700 From: Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com> To: Paul Richards <paul@freebsd-services.com> Cc: Sheldon Hearn <sheldonh@starjuice.net>, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Removing perl in make world Message-ID: <3D2590EF.CDFBDC51@mindspring.com> References: <1025862341.1573.40.camel@lobster.originative.co.uk> <20020705095258.GC775@starjuice.net> <1025864161.1573.45.camel@lobster.originative.co.uk>
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Paul Richards wrote:
> > No, the idea of `make world' is to upgrade my system in the way that I
> > tell it to.
>
> I don't think it is. That might be what you've become used to, but
> that's not what make world was designed to do. It goes to great lengths
> to make sure that you get a current version of the development branch
> that's all built with the current bits.
>
> As a current developer, you need to see what -current looks like and not
> what current on top of a lot of other stuff that hides bugs looks like.
This may be a key point (see other posting).
However, this is not even true of a clean install, with some
sysinstall options, and is certainly not true of a CDROM
based upgrade.
It's unreasonable to expect that a "make installworld" could
reset the system state sufficiently to provide this, other than
for sertain "leaf node" things, like system header files that
have been obsoleted.
I guess the best way for you to argue for this outcome is for
you to do the bsd.*.mk modifications to support your idea, and
to do all the Makfile modifications to provide the targets,
and to have it "off by default".
Not a very satisfying approach, but the one with the highest
probability that it won't be ripped out 5 minutes after you
commit the code ("If thine Makefile mods offend thee, pluck
them out").
-- Terry
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