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Subject:   Re: Is there the equivalent of a Windows "fast format"
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 to 8.0 advice=0A> =A0 =A0 =A0 (Achilleas Mantzios)=0A> =A0=A0=A02. Re: Har=
dware migration and upgrade=0A> from 6.3 to 8.0 advice=0A> =A0 =A0 =A0 (Fra=
nk Wissmann)=0A> =A0=A0=A03. Re: Hardware migration and upgrade=0A> from 6.=
3 to 8.0 advice=0A> =A0 =A0 =A0 (Adam Vande More)=0A> =A0=A0=A04. Re: Hardw=
are migration and upgrade=0A> from 6.3 to 8.0 advice=0A> =A0 =A0 =A0 (Rober=
t Huff)=0A> =A0=A0=A05. Re: malformed man pages (Sagara=0A> Wijetunga)=0A> =
=A0=A0=A06. recovering data from this disk (Tom=0A> Worster)=0A> =A0=A0=A07=
. Re: Newbie questions (updating, ports,=0A> etc.) (Richard Mace)=0A> =A0=
=A0=A08. FreeBSD 8.0 not detecting hot swap=0A> drive insertion (Rob)=0A> =
=A0=A0=A09. Re: FreeBSD 8.0 not detecting hot swap=0A> drive insertion=0A> =
=A0 =A0 =A0 (Steve Polyack)=0A> =A0 10. Re: FreeBSD 8.0 not detecting hot s=
wap drive=0A> insertion (Rob)=0A> =A0 11. Re: malformed man pages (Boris Sa=
morodov)=0A> =A0 12. GEOM: ad0s1: geometry does not match label=0A> (255h,6=
3s !=3D=0A> =A0 =A0 =A0 16h,63s). (Alexandre L.)=0A> =A0 13. Wireless netwo=
rk control (Sean Cavanaugh)=0A> =A0 14. Re: Hardware migration and upgrade =
from 6.3 to=0A> 8.0 advice=0A> =A0 =A0 =A0 (Achilleas Mantzios)=0A> =A0 15.=
 PF binat rule issue - feature or bug? (Greg=0A> Barniskis)=0A> =A0 16. Re:=
 Wireless network control (Ricardo Jesus)=0A> =A0 17. SMP and ALTQ_NOPCC (A=
PseudoUtopia)=0A> =A0 18. Setting devfs rules inside jail (Jasvinder S.=0A>=
 Bahra)=0A> =A0 19. Re: Wireless network control (Roland Smith)=0A> =A0 20.=
 Re: "Last login" message (Michael Schaefer)=0A> =A0 21. 8.0 zfs install (W=
illiam Taylor)=0A> =A0 22. Re: recovering data from this disk (Henrik=0A> H=
udson)=0A> =A0 23. Re: 8.0 zfs install (Matthew Seaman)=0A> =A0 24. Re: 8.0=
 zfs install (pete wright)=0A> =A0 25. Re: recovering data from this disk (=
Tom=0A> Worster)=0A> =A0 26. Is there the equivalent of a Windows "fast=0A>=
 format" for UFS?=0A> =A0 =A0 =A0 (Peter Steele)=0A> =A0 27. Re: [Solved] H=
aving problems burning a DVD (Al=0A> Plant)=0A> =A0 28. Re: malformed man p=
ages (Dan Nelson)=0A> =A0 29. Xorg - no mouse and no keyboard (Paul Schmehl=
)=0A> =A0 30. Re: recovering data from this disk (Modulok)=0A> =A0 31. Re: =
Is there the equivalent of a Windows "fast=0A> format" for=0A> =A0 =A0 =A0 =
UFS? (Maxim Khitrov)=0A> =A0 32. FreeBSD 8 portinstall gnome2 failure (Roy=
=0A> Stuivenberg)=0A> =0A> =0A> -------------------------------------------=
---------------------------=0A> =0A> Message: 1=0A> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 0=
0:57:07 -0800 (PST)=0A> From: Achilleas Mantzios <mantzios.achill@yahoo.com=
>=0A> Subject: Hardware migration and upgrade from 6.3 to 8.0=0A> advice=0A=
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=0A> Message-ID: <791686.61294.qm@web113=
006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>=0A> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii=0A=
> =0A> =0A> =A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 =0A> =A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=
=A0=0A> Hello,=0A> =0A> i am facing this situation, where i need to upgrade=
 from my=0A> 6.3 i386=0A> system, used as my main workstation, to a new har=
dware=0A> based on amd64=0A> (phenom II x4).=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> My current =
system is alive since 2005, so is full of code,=0A> scripts,=0A> configurat=
ions,look&feel,ssh keys etc.. that i would=0A> like to keep=0A> handy in my=
 new system.=0A> =0A> Also, currently i run gmirror, i am mentioning it, in=
 case=0A> it affects something.=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Since 2005, dealing with=
 programming/support/etc.. i=0A> haven't done any=0A> upgrade task in FreeB=
SD, so i dont feel that confident in=0A> this regard.=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> I =
could:=0A> =0A> a) install a brand new 8.0-RELEASE in the new hardware and=
=0A> then=0A> =0A>  a1) just mount the old disks to the new system or=0A> =
=0A>  a2) migrate /home user data directly to the new home dirs=0A> =0A> b)=
 migrate all current data to the new hardware,=0A> kernel/system=0A> includ=
ed, and then try to upgrade to 8.0 (by sysinstall or=0A> makeworld/makekern=
el)=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> So, its a trade-off between pain, correctness,=0A> e=
ffectiveness, and ease of use.=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> What would you guys recom=
mend? Which way to go? Any other=0A> options?=0A> =0A=0A--- On Fri, 12/4/09=
, freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org <freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.=
org> wrote:=0A=0A> From: freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org <freebsd-que=
stions-request@freebsd.org>=0A> Subject: freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 287,=
 Issue 12=0A> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=0A> Received: Friday, Decem=
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."=0A> =0A> =0A> Today's Topics:=0A> =0A>    1. Hardware migration and upgr=
ade from=0A> 6.3 to 8.0 advice=0A>       (Achilleas Mantzios)=0A>    2. Re:=
 Hardware migration and upgrade=0A> from 6.3 to 8.0 advice=0A>       (Frank=
 Wissmann)=0A>    3. Re: Hardware migration and upgrade=0A> from 6.3 to 8.0=
 advice=0A>       (Adam Vande More)=0A>    4. Re: Hardware migration and up=
grade=0A> from 6.3 to 8.0 advice=0A>       (Robert Huff)=0A>    5. Re: malf=
ormed man pages (Sagara=0A> Wijetunga)=0A>    6. recovering data from this =
disk (Tom=0A> Worster)=0A>    7. Re: Newbie questions (updating, ports,=0A>=
 etc.) (Richard Mace)=0A>    8. FreeBSD 8.0 not detecting hot swap=0A> driv=
e insertion (Rob)=0A>    9. Re: FreeBSD 8.0 not detecting hot swap=0A> driv=
e insertion=0A>       (Steve Polyack)=0A>   10. Re: FreeBSD 8.0 not detecti=
ng hot swap drive=0A> insertion (Rob)=0A>   11. Re: malformed man pages (Bo=
ris Samorodov)=0A>   12. GEOM: ad0s1: geometry does not match label=0A> (25=
5h,63s !=3D=0A>       16h,63s). (Alexandre L.)=0A>   13. Wireless network c=
ontrol (Sean Cavanaugh)=0A>   14. Re: Hardware migration and upgrade from 6=
.3 to=0A> 8.0 advice=0A>       (Achilleas Mantzios)=0A>   15. PF binat rule=
 issue - feature or bug? (Greg=0A> Barniskis)=0A>   16. Re: Wireless networ=
k control (Ricardo Jesus)=0A>   17. SMP and ALTQ_NOPCC (APseudoUtopia)=0A> =
  18. Setting devfs rules inside jail (Jasvinder S.=0A> Bahra)=0A>   19. Re=
: Wireless network control (Roland Smith)=0A>   20. Re: "Last login" messag=
e (Michael Schaefer)=0A>   21. 8.0 zfs install (William Taylor)=0A>   22. R=
e: recovering data from this disk (Henrik=0A> Hudson)=0A>   23. Re: 8.0 zfs=
 install (Matthew Seaman)=0A>   24. Re: 8.0 zfs install (pete wright)=0A>  =
 25. Re: recovering data from this disk (Tom=0A> Worster)=0A>   26. Is ther=
e the equivalent of a Windows "fast=0A> format" for UFS?=0A>       (Peter S=
teele)=0A>   27. Re: [Solved] Having problems burning a DVD (Al=0A> Plant)=
=0A>   28. Re: malformed man pages (Dan Nelson)=0A>   29. Xorg - no mouse a=
nd no keyboard (Paul Schmehl)=0A>   30. Re: recovering data from this disk =
(Modulok)=0A>   31. Re: Is there the equivalent of a Windows "fast=0A> form=
at" for=0A>       UFS? (Maxim Khitrov)=0A>   32. FreeBSD 8 portinstall gnom=
e2 failure (Roy=0A> Stuivenberg)=0A> =0A> =0A> ----------------------------=
------------------------------------------=0A> =0A> Message: 1=0A> Date: Fr=
i, 4 Dec 2009 00:57:07 -0800 (PST)=0A> From: Achilleas Mantzios <mantzios.a=
chill@yahoo.com>=0A> Subject: Hardware migration and upgrade from 6.3 to 8.=
0=0A> advice=0A> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=0A> Message-ID: <791686.=
61294.qm@web113006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>=0A> Content-Type: text/plain; charse=
t=3Dus-ascii=0A> =0A> =0A>             =0A>            =0A> Hello,=0A> =0A>=
 i am facing this situation, where i need to upgrade from my=0A> 6.3 i386=
=0A> system, used as my main workstation, to a new hardware=0A> based on am=
d64=0A> (phenom II x4).=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> My current system is alive since=
 2005, so is full of code,=0A> scripts,=0A> configurations,look&feel,ssh ke=
ys etc.. that i would=0A> like to keep=0A> handy in my new system.=0A> =0A>=
 Also, currently i run gmirror, i am mentioning it, in case=0A> it affects =
something.=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Since 2005, dealing with programming/support/=
etc.. i=0A> haven't done any=0A> upgrade task in FreeBSD, so i dont feel th=
at confident in=0A> this regard.=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> I could:=0A> =0A> a) in=
stall a brand new 8.0-RELEASE in the new hardware and=0A> then=0A> =0A>  a1=
) just mount the old disks to the new system or=0A> =0A>  a2) migrate /home=
 user data directly to the new home dirs=0A> =0A> b) migrate all current da=
ta to the new hardware,=0A> kernel/system=0A> included, and then try to upg=
rade to 8.0 (by sysinstall or=0A> makeworld/makekernel)=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =
So, its a trade-off between pain, correctness,=0A> effectiveness, and ease =
of use.=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> What would you guys recommend? Which way to go? =
Any other=0A> options?=0A> =0A> Thanx in advance!=0A> =0A> Please include m=
e in your CC, as i am not subscribed to the=0A> list.=0A> =0A> Achilleas Ma=
ntzios=0A> =0A> =0A>       =0A> =0A> =0A> ------------------------------=0A=
> =0A> Message: 2=0A> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:07:41 +0100=0A> From: Frank=
 Wissmann <frank.wissmann41@web.de>=0A> Subject: Re: Hardware migration and=
 upgrade from 6.3 to 8.0=0A> advice=0A> To: Achilleas Mantzios <mantzios.ac=
hill@yahoo.com>=0A> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=0A> Message-ID: <4B19=
099D.4050409@web.de>=0A> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1;=0A=
> format=3Dflowed=0A> =0A> Achilleas Mantzios schrieb:=0A> =0A> Hi!=0A> >  =
      =0A>     =0A> >        =0A>     Hello,=0A> > =0A> > i am facing this =
situation, where i need to upgrade=0A> from my 6.3 i386=0A> > system, used =
as my main workstation, to a new hardware=0A> based on amd64=0A> > (phenom =
II x4).=0A> =0A> Well, you know that i386 is Intel, do you? It might work=
=0A> just moving the =0A> old kernel to a 64-bit system but I have no exper=
ience with=0A> it.=0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > My current system is alive si=
nce 2005, so is full of=0A> code, scripts,=0A> > configurations,look&feel,s=
sh keys etc.. that i=0A> would like to keep=0A> > handy in my new system.=
=0A> > =0A> > Also, currently i run gmirror, i am mentioning it, in=0A> cas=
e it affects something.=0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > Since 2005, dealing with=
 programming/support/etc.. i=0A> haven't done any=0A> > upgrade task in Fre=
eBSD, so i dont feel that confident=0A> in this regard.=0A> > =0A> > =0A> >=
 =0A> > I could:=0A> > =0A> > a) install a brand new 8.0-RELEASE in the new=
 hardware=0A> and then=0A> > =0A> >  a1) just mount the old disks to the ne=
w system=0A> or=0A> > =0A> >  a2) migrate /home user data directly to the n=
ew=0A> home dirs=0A> > =0A> > b) migrate all current data to the new hardwa=
re,=0A> kernel/system=0A> > included, and then try to upgrade to 8.0 (by=0A=
> sysinstall or=0A> > makeworld/makekernel)=0A> =0A> Item b) is not recomme=
nded. There are so many changes AFAIK=0A> that it is =0A> no clear update. =
You might do so but then you should update=0A> the =0A> following way from =
6.3 - 7.0 - 7.1 - 7.2 - 8.0 as was=0A> recommended on =0A> this list earlie=
r (search the archives, please, for further=0A> details if =0A> you choose =
this way).=0A> For me, a clean install of 8.0 and a move from the old data=
=0A> to the fresh =0A> install is better. Use a2) !=0A> =0A> Greetings Fran=
k=0A> =0A> =0A> ------------------------------=0A> =0A> Message: 3=0A> Date=
: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 07:36:19 -0600=0A> From: Adam Vande More <amvandemore@gma=
il.com>=0A> Subject: Re: Hardware migration and upgrade from 6.3 to 8.0=0A>=
 advice=0A> To: Achilleas Mantzios <mantzios.achill@yahoo.com>=0A> Cc: free=
bsd-questions@freebsd.org=0A> Message-ID:=0A>     <6201873e0912040536y69d27=
8c9o5bf63d17015894f9@mail.gmail.com>=0A> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=
=3DISO-8859-1=0A> =0A> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 2:57 AM, Achilleas Mantzios <=
=0A> mantzios.achill@yahoo.com>=0A> wrote:=0A> =0A> >=0A> >=0A> >          =
     =0A>         Hello,=0A> >=0A> > i am facing this situation, where i ne=
ed to upgrade=0A> from my 6.3 i386=0A> > system, used as my main workstatio=
n, to a new hardware=0A> based on amd64=0A> > (phenom II x4).=0A> >=0A> >=
=0A> >=0A> > My current system is alive since 2005, so is full of=0A> code,=
 scripts,=0A> > configurations,look&feel,ssh keys etc.. that i=0A> would li=
ke to keep=0A> > handy in my new system.=0A> >=0A> > Also, currently i run =
gmirror, i am mentioning it, in=0A> case it affects=0A> > something.=0A> >=
=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > Since 2005, dealing with programming/support/etc.. i=0A>=
 haven't done any=0A> > upgrade task in FreeBSD, so i dont feel that confid=
ent=0A> in this regard.=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > I could:=0A> >=0A> > a) ins=
tall a brand new 8.0-RELEASE in the new hardware=0A> and then=0A> >=0A> >  =
a1) just mount the old disks to the new system=0A> or=0A> >=0A> >  a2) migr=
ate /home user data directly to the new=0A> home dirs=0A> >=0A> > b) migrat=
e all current data to the new hardware,=0A> kernel/system=0A> > included, a=
nd then try to upgrade to 8.0 (by=0A> sysinstall or=0A> > makeworld/makeker=
nel)=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > So, its a trade-off between pain, correctness,=
=0A> effectiveness, and ease of=0A> > use.=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > What wou=
ld you guys recommend? Which way to go? Any=0A> other options?=0A> >=0A> > =
Thanx in advance!=0A> >=0A> > Please include me in your CC, as i am not sub=
scribed=0A> to the list.=0A> >=0A> > Achilleas Mantzios=0A> >=0A> >=0A> You=
 may want to consider installing from scratch and=0A> migrating over.  This=
=0A> would allow you setup zfs and make the move easier. =0A> Also may want=
 to=0A> explore run ahci(4) as that can seriously increase disk=0A> speed a=
lthough I=0A> believe many more improvements live in STABLE, not=0A> RELEAS=
E.=0A> =0A> -- =0A> Adam Vande More=0A> =0A> =0A> -------------------------=
-----=0A> =0A> Message: 4=0A> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 08:35:58 -0500=0A> From=
: Robert Huff <roberthuff@rcn.com>=0A> Subject: Re: Hardware migration and =
upgrade from 6.3 to 8.0=0A> advice=0A> To: Achilleas Mantzios <mantzios.ach=
ill@yahoo.com>,=0A>     freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=0A> Message-ID: <1922=
5.4158.806906.190990@jerusalem.litteratus.org>=0A> Content-Type: text/plain=
; charset=3Dus-ascii=0A> =0A> =0A> Frank Wissmann writes:=0A> =0A> >  > i a=
m facing this situation, where i need to=0A> upgrade from my 6.3 i386=0A> >=
  > system, used as my main workstation, to a=0A> new hardware based on amd=
64=0A> >  > (phenom II x4).=0A> >=0A> >  > b) migrate all current data to t=
he new=0A> hardware, kernel/system=0A> >  > included, and then try to upgra=
de to 8.0=0A> (by sysinstall or=0A> >  > makeworld/makekernel)=0A> >  =0A> =
>  Item b) is not recommended.=0A> =0A>     Confirmed.  _Highly_ not=0A> re=
commended. .0 releases usually=0A> contain ABI/API changes (among other thi=
ngs) and you don't=0A> want=0A> anything getting confused.=0A> =0A> >  For =
me, a clean install of 8.0 and a move from=0A> the old data to=0A> >  the f=
resh install is better.=0A> =0A>     To the OP: the machine I'm typing on i=
s=0A> also AMD Phenom II x4=0A> (940, if it matters) originally installed w=
ith=0A> 8.0-RC3/amd64.=0A>     Once I got past the "dangerously=0A> dedicat=
ed disk" issue (and=0A> close relatives) everything went smoothly.=0A>     =
Of the choices presented, I recommend=0A> (a1) with the old disk=0A> set to=
 read-only in hardware.  New disks are cheap,=0A> and this gives=0A> you a =
perfect backup for as long as you want it.  =0A> =0A> =0A>            =0A> =
        Robert Huff=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> ------------------------------=0A> =
=0A> Message: 5=0A> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:02:41 +0800=0A> From: Sagara =
Wijetunga <sagara@tomahawk.com.sg>=0A> Subject: Re: malformed man pages=0A>=
 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=0A> Cc: Boris Samorodov <bsam@ipt.ru>=0A=
> Message-ID: <4B191681.8050507@tomahawk.com.sg>=0A> Content-Type: text/pla=
in; charset=3Dus-ascii; format=3Dflowed=0A> =0A> Boris Samorodov wrote:=0A>=
 > Hi,=0A> >=0A> > On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:50:31 +0800 Sagara Wijetunga=0A> =
wrote:=0A> >=0A> >   =0A> >> We have an issue on Tomahawk Desktop (an upcom=
ing=0A> FreeBSD-based=0A> >> distro) that all man pages malformed.=0A> >>  =
   =0A> >=0A> > What is the base FreeBSD version?=0A> >=0A> >   =0A> FreeBS=
D 7.2=0A> =0A> >> Eg. man tar shows as follows:=0A> >> 1mNAME0m=0A> >>     =
1mtar 22m-- format of tape=0A> archive files=0A> >>     =0A> >=0A> >   =0A>=
 >> 1mDESCRIPTION0m=0A> >>     The 1mtar 22marchive=0A> format collects any=
 number of files,=0A> >> directories, and=0A> >>     =0A> >=0A> > What are =
your terminal, locale, fonts?=0A> >=0A> >   =0A> echo $TERM=0A> xterm-color=
=0A> =0A> How do I know what locale and fonts are effective?=0A> =0A> Our "=
default" in /etc/login.conf is same as FreeBSD's.=0A> >> What have we misse=
d?=0A> >>     =0A> >=0A> > Well, there were good old days ;-) when the gras=
s was=0A> green=0A> > and manual pages were written in plain ASCII. Those=
=0A> days=0A> > passed, welcome to the shiny future. Manual pages=0A> have=
=0A> > colors, belts and whistles and can be viewed only at=0A> xterm=0A> >=
 and with some fonts.=0A> >=0A> > *sign* bsam, who used a copy-n-paste from=
 DISKLESS(8)=0A> and=0A> > lost nfs connectivity.=0A> >=0A> >   =0A> =0A> R=
egards=0A> Sagara=0A> =0A> =0A> ------------------------------=0A> =0A> Mes=
sage: 6=0A> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:12:37 -0500=0A> From: Tom Worster <fs=
b@thefsb.org>=0A> Subject: recovering data from this disk=0A> To: "freebsd-=
questions@freebsd.org"=0A> <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>=0A> Message-ID: =
<C73E8305.144A5%fsb@thefsb.org>=0A> Content-Type: text/plain;   =0A> charse=
t=3D"US-ASCII"=0A> =0A> any suggestions how to recover data from either of =
the=0A> mirrored disks that i=0A> can't get to boot? the situation is descr=
ibed below.=0A> =0A> (i'm assuming, given the silence on this, that making =
the=0A> system work after=0A> the freebsd-update is a lost cause.)=0A> =0A>=
 =0A> On 12/3/09 11:14 AM, "Tom Worster" <fsb@thefsb.org>=0A> wrote:=0A> =
=0A> > after running freebsd-update -r 8.0-RELEASE upgrade my=0A> system wo=
n't boot. it=0A> > gets stuck on mountroot and i can't find the magic=0A> w=
ord it wants.=0A> > =0A> > the system used to have two sata drives /dev/ad4=
 and=0A> ad6. they were=0A> > partitioned and sliced using the deafaults th=
at=0A> sysinstall suggested.=0A> > =0A> > at the boot prompt, lsdev says:=
=0A> > =0A> > disk devices=0A> >   disk0: BIOS drive C:=0A> >     disk0s1a:=
 FFS=0A> >     disk0s1b: swap=0A> >     disk0s1d: FFS=0A> >     disk0s1e: F=
FS=0A> >     disk0s1f: FFS=0A> >    disk1: BIOS drive D:=0A> >     disk1s1a=
: FFS=0A> >     disk1s1b: swap=0A> >     disk1s1d: FFS=0A> >     disk1s1e: =
FFS=0A> >     disk1s1f: FFS=0A> > =0A> > which looks right, although i'm no=
t familiar with the=0A> "disk" nomenclature.=0A> > =0A> > entering ? at mou=
ntroot mentions ad4 and ad6.=0A> > =0A> > geom_mirror was being used.=0A> >=
 =0A> > i've tried saying "load geom_mirror" and/or=0A> "enable-module geom=
_mirror" at the=0A> > boot prompt. neither made any difference.=0A> > =0A> =
> nothing i've said to mountroot works:=0A> > =0A> > ufs:/dev/ad4s1a=0A> > =
ufs:/dev/ad6s1a=0A> > ufs:/dev/mirror/gm0s1a=0A> > ufs:/dev/disk0s1a=0A> > =
ufs:/dev/disk1s1a=0A> > =0A> > does anyone know the magic word? i'd be very=
=0A> grateful.=0A> > =0A> > tom=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> -------------------=
-----------=0A> =0A> Message: 7=0A> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 16:15:33 +0200=0A=
> From: Richard Mace <macerl@telkomsa.net>=0A> Subject: Re: Newbie question=
s (updating, ports, etc.)=0A> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=0A> Message=
-ID: <200912041615.33123.macerl@telkomsa.net>=0A> Content-Type: Text/Plain;=
  charset=3D"us-ascii"=0A> =0A> Thanks to all for your detailed and informa=
tive replies to=0A> my questions. I =0A> have many new things to try out.=
=0A> =0A> > I can't speak for anyone else, but long posts don't=0A> bother =
me.  I hope=0A> > > we've clarified things for you.  Welcome to=0A> FreeBSD=
!=0A> =0A> Thanks. Its good to be here!=0A> =0A> -Richard=0A> =0A> =0A> ---=
---------------------------=0A> =0A> Message: 8=0A> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 =
08:37:06 -0600=0A> From: Rob <lists@midsummerdream.org>=0A> Subject: FreeBS=
D 8.0 not detecting hot swap drive=0A> insertion=0A> To: freebsd-questions@=
freebsd.org=0A> Message-ID: <4B191E92.7010007@midsummerdream.org>=0A> Conte=
nt-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1;=0A> format=3Dflowed=0A> =0A> I'm=
 running a 10 hot-swap SATA disk ZFS pool and recently=0A> upgraded from =
=0A> 7.2 to 8.  Since I upgraded, freebsd isn't spinning up=0A> or recogniz=
ing a =0A> new drive that is inserted.  In freebsd 7.[0,2], I=0A> could rem=
ove a drive =0A> and insert a new one and freebsd would recognize it, spin=
=0A> it up, and =0A> create the device nodes.  None of that is happening in=
=0A> 8.0, and the only =0A> way I've found to get it to recognize the disk =
is to reboot=0A> the system.=0A> =0A> I tried using atacontrol to force fre=
ebsd to reinit an ata=0A> channel, but =0A> that didn't have any effect.  D=
id something change in=0A> 8.0 that prevents =0A> this auto-detection?  Is =
there a way to re-enable it?=0A> =0A> Rob=0A> =0A> =0A> -------------------=
-----------=0A> =0A> Message: 9=0A> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:49:50 -0500=
=0A> From: Steve Polyack <korvus@comcast.net>=0A> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 8.0 =
not detecting hot swap drive=0A> insertion=0A> To: lists@midsummerdream.org=
=0A> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=0A> Message-ID: <4B19218E.70909@comc=
ast.net>=0A> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1;=0A> format=3Df=
lowed=0A> =0A> Rob wrote:=0A> > I'm running a 10 hot-swap SATA disk ZFS poo=
l and=0A> recently upgraded =0A> > from 7.2 to 8.  Since I upgraded, freebs=
d isn't=0A> spinning up or =0A> > recognizing a new drive that is inserted.=
  In=0A> freebsd 7.[0,2], I could =0A> > remove a drive and insert a new on=
e and freebsd would=0A> recognize it, =0A> > spin it up, and create the dev=
ice nodes.  None of=0A> that is happening in =0A> > 8.0, and the only way I=
've found to get it to=0A> recognize the disk is to =0A> > reboot the syste=
m.=0A> >=0A> > I tried using atacontrol to force freebsd to reinit an=0A> a=
ta channel, =0A> > but that didn't have any effect.  Did something=0A> chan=
ge in 8.0 that =0A> > prevents this auto-detection?  Is there a way to=0A> =
re-enable it?=0A> >=0A> Are you using the original (7.x) ata(4) driver or t=
he newer=0A> enhanced =0A> SATA drivers like ahci(4) or siis(4)?  If you're=
 using=0A> the latter your =0A> devices will be labeled /dev/ada* instead o=
f=0A> /dev/ad*.  If you are =0A> indeed using the newer enhanced SATA drive=
rs, you will need=0A> to use =0A> camcontrol to reset and rescan the associ=
ated SATA=0A> channels.=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> ------------------------------=
=0A> =0A> Message: 10=0A> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:04:25 -0600=0A> From: R=
ob <lists@midsummerdream.org>=0A> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 8.0 not detecting ho=
t swap drive=0A> insertion=0A> To: Steve Polyack <korvus@comcast.net>=0A> C=
c: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=0A> Message-ID: <4B1924F9.4060409@midsumme=
rdream.org>=0A> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1;=0A> format=
=3Dflowed=0A> =0A> I don't have any /dev/ada* devices, so I assume I'm usin=
g=0A> the original =0A> ata driver.  I haven't done any kernel customizatio=
n,=0A> and am running the =0A> distribution's kernel (upgraded with the fre=
ebsd-update=0A> tool).  Does the =0A> older driver no longer detect drive i=
nsertion?=0A> =0A> Rob=0A> =0A> Steve Polyack wrote:=0A> > Rob wrote:=0A> >=
> I'm running a 10 hot-swap SATA disk ZFS pool and=0A> recently upgraded =
=0A> >> from 7.2 to 8.  Since I upgraded, freebsd=0A> isn't spinning up or =
=0A> >> recognizing a new drive that is inserted.  In=0A> freebsd 7.[0,2], =
I could =0A> >> remove a drive and insert a new one and freebsd=0A> would r=
ecognize it, =0A> >> spin it up, and create the device nodes. =0A> None of =
that is happening in =0A> >> 8.0, and the only way I've found to get it to=
=0A> recognize the disk is to =0A> >> reboot the system.=0A> >>=0A> >> I tr=
ied using atacontrol to force freebsd to=0A> reinit an ata channel, =0A> >>=
 but that didn't have any effect.  Did=0A> something change in 8.0 that =0A=
> >> prevents this auto-detection?  Is there a way=0A> to re-enable it?=0A>=
 >>=0A> > Are you using the original (7.x) ata(4) driver or the=0A> newer e=
nhanced =0A> > SATA drivers like ahci(4) or siis(4)?  If you're=0A> using t=
he latter your =0A> > devices will be labeled /dev/ada* instead of=0A> /dev=
/ad*.  If you are =0A> > indeed using the newer enhanced SATA drivers, you =
will=0A> need to use =0A> > camcontrol to reset and rescan the associated S=
ATA=0A> channels.=0A> > =0A> > ____________________________________________=
___=0A> > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=0A> mailing list=0A> > http://lists=
.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions=0A> > To unsubscribe, send =
any mail to =0A> > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"=0A> > =0A> >=
 =0A> =0A> =0A> ------------------------------=0A> =0A> Message: 11=0A> Dat=
e: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:53:18 +0300=0A> From: Boris Samorodov <bsam@ipt.ru>=
=0A> Subject: Re: malformed man pages=0A> To: Sagara Wijetunga <sagara@toma=
hawk.com.sg>=0A> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=0A> Message-ID: <5414580=
9@bb.ipt.ru>=0A> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii=0A> =0A> On F=
ri, 04 Dec 2009 22:02:41 +0800 Sagara Wijetunga wrote:=0A> > Boris Samorodo=
v wrote:=0A> > > On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:50:31 +0800 Sagara=0A> Wijetunga wr=
ote:=0A> > >   =0A> > >> We have an issue on Tomahawk Desktop (an=0A> upcom=
ing FreeBSD-based=0A> > >> distro) that all man pages malformed.=0A> > > Wh=
at is the base FreeBSD version?=0A> > FreeBSD 7.2=0A> =0A> OK.=0A> =0A> > >=
> Eg. man tar shows as follows: 1mNAME0m 1mtar=0A> 22m-- format of tape=0A>=
 > >> archive files=0A> > >> 1mDESCRIPTION0m The 1mtar 22marchive format=0A=
> collects any number of=0A> > >> files, directories, and=0A> > >>     =0A>=
 > > What are your terminal, locale, fonts?=0A> > >   =0A> > echo $TERM xte=
rm-color=0A> =0A> OK.=0A> =0A> > How do I know what locale and fonts are ef=
fective?=0A> =0A> % locale=0A> =0A> I don't remember how to detect current =
font, but I know how=0A> to=0A> set it up. ;-) I use x11-fonts/dejavu and s=
et it at=0A> ~/XTerm:=0A> -----=0A> XTerm*faceName: DejaVu Sans Mono=0A> XT=
erm*faceSize: 12=0A> -----=0A> =0A> -- =0A> WBR, Boris Samorodov (bsam)=0A>=
 Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone &=0A> Internet SP=0A> FreeB=
SD Committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To=0A> Serve=0A> =0A> =0A> -=
-----------------------------=0A> =0A> Message: 12=0A> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 200=
9 08:24:46 -0800 (PST)=0A> From: "Alexandre L." <axelbsd@ymail.com>=0A> Sub=
ject: GEOM: ad0s1: geometry does not match label=0A> (255h,63s !=3D=0A>    =
 16h,63s).=0A> To: FreeBSD Question <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>=0A> Mes=
sage-ID: <517367.85304.qm@web24810.mail.ird.yahoo.com>=0A> Content-Type: te=
xt/plain; charset=3Dutf-8=0A> =0A> Hi,=0A> =0A> I have installed my laptop =
with FreeBSD 8.0-RC1 first (now=0A> I'm on 8.0-Release-p1) and in dmesg I g=
ot this error message=0A> : =0A> GEOM: ad0s1: geometry does not match label=
 (255h,63s !=3D=0A> 16h,63s).=0A> =0A> I have search on the Web about the m=
ethod to resolv this,=0A> but I haven't found anything that helps me.=0A> =
=0A> Here the result of #bsdlabel ad0s1=0A> # /dev/ad0s1:=0A> 8 partitions:=
=0A> #       =0A> size   offset   =0A> fstype   [fsize bsize bps/cpg]=0A>  =
 a:  1048576        0 =0A>   4.2BSD        0 =0A>    0     0 =0A>   b:  202=
8960  1048576     =0A> swap               =0A>     =0A>   c: 117210177     =
   0 =0A>   unused        0 =0A>    0         #=0A> "raw" part, don't edit=
=0A>   d:  3110912  3077536   =0A> 4.2BSD        0 =0A>    0     0 =0A>   e=
:  1048576  6188448   =0A> 4.2BSD        0 =0A>    0     0 =0A>   f: 109973=
153  7237024    4.2BSD =0A>       0     0 =0A>    0 =0A> =0A> And the resul=
t of # gpart show=0A> =3D>       63 =0A> 117210177  ad0  MBR  (56G)=0A>    =
      63 =0A> 117210177    1  freebsd  [active] =0A> (56G)=0A> =0A> =3D>   =
     0  117210177 =0A> ad0s1  BSD  (56G)=0A>           0   =0A> 1048576    =
  1  freebsd-ufs =0A> (512M)=0A>     1048576    2028960   =0A>   2  freebsd=
-swap  (991M)=0A>     3077536    3110912   =0A>   4  freebsd-ufs  (1.5G)=0A=
>     6188448    1048576   =0A>   5  freebsd-ufs  (512M)=0A>     7237024  1=
09973153     =0A> 6  freebsd-ufs  (52G)=0A> =0A> Thanks for your help,=0A> =
=0A> Alexandre L.=0A> =0A> =0A>       =0A> =0A> =0A> ----------------------=
--------=0A> =0A> Message: 13=0A> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 11:28:02 -0500=0A> =
From: Sean Cavanaugh <millenia2000@hotmail.com>=0A> Subject: Wireless netwo=
rk control=0A> To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org"=0A> <freebsd-questions@f=
reebsd.org>=0A> Message-ID: <BAY126-W22B50926CD5C5658A0B975CA930@phx.gbl>=
=0A> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> I =
am just trying to find out if theres an easier way to do=0A> this.=0A>  =0A=
>  =0A> currently to get wireless to work on my system, i have to=0A> clone=
 the wireless interface to a wlan0 interface to=0A> actually do any real co=
nnections. My home network uses WPA2=0A> encryption so i use the wpa-suppli=
cant to set that up, but=0A> if i go out and about and hit free wifi spots,=
 I have to add=0A> the info for them into the wpa-supplicant.conf file to g=
et=0A> it to access it.=0A>  =0A> keep in mind that ideally I use the lates=
t gnome as my=0A> desktop. is there an easier tool to do this all with? I=
=0A> remember there was an issue with the gnome-network tool that=0A> it co=
uld not actually make any changes in freebsd, but i=0A> cannot find if that=
 is still true or if it has been fixed.=0A>  =0A> End goal, I am trying to =
get this set up to be equally as=0A> idiot-proof as most linux distros in c=
ase i have to hand=0A> this off to someone a bit less technically inclined.=
=0A>  =0A>  =0A> sorry if this is a bit hard to read, i have ADHD so it=0A>=
 someti..OHLOOKASQUIRREL=0A>  =0A> -Sean    =0A>         =0A>           =0A=
>   =0A> =0A> ------------------------------=0A> =0A> Message: 14=0A> Date:=
 Fri, 4 Dec 2009 07:28:04 -0800 (PST)=0A> From: Achilleas Mantzios <mantzio=
s.achill@yahoo.com>=0A> Subject: Re: Hardware migration and upgrade from 6.=
3 to 8.0=0A> advice=0A> To: Adam Vande More <amvandemore@gmail.com>=0A> Cc:=
 freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=0A> Message-ID: <900056.39583.qm@web113013.m=
ail.gq1.yahoo.com>=0A> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii=0A> =0A=
> Thanx to all.=0A> I will keep the old machine for=0A> development/mainten=
ance/support, while=0A> bulding/testing/migrating the newest versions of so=
ftware=0A> in the new hardware.=0A> =0A> Up to now, i got the base system/k=
ernel working ok on the=0A> new beast, and currently installing additional=
=0A> distributions. All seem fine.=0A> =0A> Achilleas Mantzios=0A> =0A> ---=
 On Fri, 12/4/09, Adam Vande More <amvandemore@gmail.com>=0A> wrote:=0A> =
=0A> From: Adam Vande More <amvandemore@gmail.com>=0A> Subject: Re: Hardwar=
e migration and upgrade from 6.3 to 8.0=0A> advice=0A> To: "Achilleas Mantz=
ios" <mantzios.achill@yahoo.com>=0A> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=0A> =
Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 1:36 PM=0A> =0A> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 2:5=
7 AM, Achilleas Mantzios <mantzios.achill@yahoo.com>=0A> wrote:=0A> =0A> =
=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A>                =0A>         Hello,=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> i=
 am facing this situation, where i need to upgrade from my=0A> 6.3 i386=0A>=
 =0A> system, used as my main workstation, to a new hardware=0A> based on a=
md64=0A> =0A> (phenom II x4).=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> My cur=
rent system is alive since 2005, so is full of code,=0A> scripts,=0A> =0A> =
configurations,look&feel,ssh keys etc.. that i would=0A> like to keep=0A> =
=0A> handy in my new system.=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Also, currently i run gmirr=
or, i am mentioning it, in case=0A> it affects something.=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A=
> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Since 2005, dealing with programming/support/etc.. i=
=0A> haven't done any=0A> =0A> upgrade task in FreeBSD, so i dont feel that=
 confident in=0A> this regard.=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> I cou=
ld:=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> a) install a brand new 8.0-RELEASE in the new hardwa=
re and=0A> then=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A>  a1) just mount the old disks to the new=
 system or=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A>  a2) migrate /home user data directly to the =
new home dirs=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> b) migrate all current data to the new har=
dware,=0A> kernel/system=0A> =0A> included, and then try to upgrade to 8.0 =
(by sysinstall or=0A> =0A> makeworld/makekernel)=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =
=0A> =0A> =0A> So, its a trade-off between pain, correctness,=0A> effective=
ness, and ease of use.=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> What would yo=
u guys recommend? Which way to go? Any other=0A> options?=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A=
> Thanx in advance!=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Please include me in your CC, as i a=
m not subscribed to the=0A> list.=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Achilleas Mantzios=0A>=
 =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> You may want to consider installing from scratch and=
=0A> migrating over.  This would allow you setup zfs and=0A> make the move =
easier.  Also may want to explore run=0A> ahci(4) as that can seriously inc=
rease disk speed although I=0A> believe many more improvements live in STAB=
LE, not RELEASE.=0A> =0A> =0A> -- =0A> Adam Vande More=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =
=0A>       =0A> =0A> =0A> ------------------------------=0A> =0A> Message: =
15=0A> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:41:20 -0600=0A> From: Greg Barniskis <nali=
sts@scls.lib.wi.us>=0A> Subject: PF binat rule issue - feature or bug?=0A> =
To: FreeBSD Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>=0A> Message-ID: <4B19=
3BB0.5000806@scls.lib.wi.us>=0A> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-88=
59-1;=0A> format=3Dflowed=0A> =0A> Using 7.2-RELEASE-p4 i386 with GENERIC k=
ernel, I've found=0A> (the hard way) =0A> that if I have a pf.conf rule lik=
e=0A> =0A> nat on $ext_if proto { tcp udp icmp } from $my_subnet \=0A>    t=
o any -> some.public.ip.num=0A> =0A> then pfctl will perform the expected e=
xpansion of the=0A> listed protocols =0A> into three separate NAT rules.=0A=
> =0A> However, if I have a rule like=0A> =0A> binat on $ext_if proto { tcp=
 udp icmp } from $server_dmz_ip=0A> \=0A>    to any -> $server_public_ip=0A=
> =0A> then I will /only/ get one NAT rule, for TCP.=0A> =0A> Then things l=
ike NTP, DNS and ping will fail, but the=0A> filtering rules =0A> that perm=
it such traffic will increment their byte, packet=0A> and state =0A> counte=
rs like PF is working just fine (and I suppose in=0A> some sense that =0A> =
the filtering part is). But only if I explicitly declare in=0A> pf.conf a =
=0A> separate binat rule for each desired protocol, instead of=0A> listing =
them, =0A> will things work as needed.=0A> =0A> Feature or bug? If the form=
er, it is not well documented=0A> that I could =0A> see. I expected that a =
list of protocols for a binat rule=0A> would just =0A> work, and pfctl cert=
ainly didn't mark it as bad syntax. If=0A> a bug, is =0A> this a FreeBSD bu=
g or OpenBSD?=0A> =0A> =0A> ------------------------------=0A> =0A> Message=
: 16=0A> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:05:47 +0000=0A> From: Ricardo Jesus <ric=
ardo.meb.jesus@gmail.com>=0A> Subject: Re: Wireless network control=0A> To:=
 Sean Cavanaugh <millenia2000@hotmail.com>=0A> Cc: "freebsd-questions@freeb=
sd.org"=0A> <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>=0A> Message-ID: <4B19416B.50900=
04@gmail.com>=0A> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1;=0A> forma=
t=3Dflowed=0A> =0A> Sean Cavanaugh wrote:=0A> > =0A> > I am just trying to =
find out if theres an easier way=0A> to do this.=0A> >  =0A> >  =0A> > curr=
ently to get wireless to work on my system, i have=0A> to clone the wireles=
s interface to a wlan0 interface to=0A> actually do any real connections. M=
y home network uses WPA2=0A> encryption so i use the wpa-supplicant to set =
that up, but=0A> if i go out and about and hit free wifi spots, I have to a=
dd=0A> the info for them into the wpa-supplicant.conf file to get=0A> it to=
 access it.=0A> >  =0A> > keep in mind that ideally I use the latest gnome =
as my=0A> desktop. is there an easier tool to do this all with? I=0A> remem=
ber there was an issue with the gnome-network tool that=0A> it could not ac=
tually make any changes in freebsd, but i=0A> cannot find if that is still =
true or if it has been fixed.=0A> >  =0A> > End goal, I am trying to get th=
is set up to be equally=0A> as idiot-proof as most linux distros in case i =
have to hand=0A> this off to someone a bit less technically inclined.=0A> >=
  =0A> >  =0A> > sorry if this is a bit hard to read, i have ADHD so it=0A>=
 someti..OHLOOKASQUIRREL=0A> >  =0A> > -Sean    =0A>         =0A>          =
 =0A>   _______________________________________________=0A> > freebsd-quest=
ions@freebsd.org=0A> mailing list=0A> > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/li=
stinfo/freebsd-questions=0A> > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-qu=
estions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"=0A> > =0A> There was a person asking for a=
 similar thing on this same=0A> list.=0A> =0A> I think the subject was some=
thing like "ifconfig - GUI=0A> interface". Have =0A> a search on the list's=
 archive.=0A> =0A> =0A> ------------------------------=0A> =0A> Message: 17=
=0A> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 12:12:41 -0500=0A> From: APseudoUtopia <apseudou=
topia@gmail.com>=0A> Subject: SMP and ALTQ_NOPCC=0A> To: FreeBSD Questions =
<freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>=0A> Message-ID:=0A>     <27ade5280912040912=
i53f9871cj9502afc941073bef@mail.gmail.com>=0A> Content-Type: text/plain; ch=
arset=3DUTF-8=0A> =0A> Hello,=0A> =0A> With the improvements in SMP in Free=
BSD 8.0, is the=0A> ALTQ_NOPCC option=0A> still required? In the handbook a=
nd other older=0A> documentation, it says=0A> ALTQ_NOPCC is in fact require=
d on SMP systems because the=0A> TSC is=0A> unstable. I was wondering if th=
is is still the case after=0A> the=0A> improvements done with SMP.=0A> =0A>=
 Thanks.=0A> =0A> =0A> ------------------------------=0A> =0A> Message: 18=
=0A> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:07:13 -0000=0A> From: "Jasvinder S. Bahra" <b=
bdl21548@blueyonder.co.uk>=0A> Subject: Setting devfs rules inside jail=0A>=
 To: <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>=0A> Message-ID:=0A> <6DBB67443EBF41B2A=
068C7CBD37621CB@atlantis>=0A> Content-Type: text/plain; format=3Dflowed;=0A=
> charset=3D"iso-8859-1";=0A>     reply-type=3Doriginal=0A> =0A> Hi,=0A> =
=0A> I'm trying to setup CUPS (in a jail) using an old parallel=0A> port pr=
inter on =0A> my server machine.=0A> =0A> I used ezjail to create a jail an=
d the installed CUPS=0A> within it.  I've got =0A> everything up and runnin=
g, but i've had to work around some=0A> issues.=0A> =0A> Initially, the CUP=
S administration website didn't list the=0A> printer on the =0A> Add Printe=
r screen.  I discovered that this because=0A> the /dev/lpt0 and =0A> /dev/l=
pt0.ctl devices weren't showing up in the jail.=0A> =0A> I therefore (on th=
e host system), created a=0A> /etc/devfs.rules file...=0A> =0A> -----------=
-------------------------------------------------=0A> [devfsrules_jail_pear=
l=3D5]=0A> add include $devfsrules_hide_all=0A> add include $devfsrules_unh=
ide_basic=0A> add include $devfsrules_unhide_login=0A> add path 'lpt*' unhi=
de=0A> add path 'lpt*' mode 0660 group cups=0A> ---------------------------=
---------------------------------=0A> =0A> I updated the devfs ruleset entr=
y in=0A> /usr/local/etc/ezjail/pearl_domain.tld, =0A> and rebooted.=0A> =0A=
> This successfully made the /dev/lpt0 and /dev/lpt0.ctl=0A> devices visibl=
e in =0A> the jail and assigned them the correct permissions.=0A> =0A> Unfo=
rtunately, I was seeing an error message on-screen when=0A> the system was =
=0A> booted (when the jails were being started)...=0A> =0A> ---------------=
---------------------------------------------=0A> devfs rule: error convert=
ing to integer: cups=0A> --------------------------------------------------=
----------=0A> =0A> After a moment, I realised what had happened - I instal=
led=0A> CUPS in a jail, =0A> not on the host system.  Naturally the CUPS gr=
oup does=0A> not exist on the host =0A> so when the system tried to transla=
te the group name to a=0A> UID, it couldn't =0A> do so.=0A> =0A> I modified=
 the last line of the hosts /dev/devfs.rules line=0A> to as follows =0A> (b=
asically removing the 'group cups')...=0A> =0A> ---------------------------=
---------------------------------=0A> add path 'lpt*' mode 0660=0A> -------=
-----------------------------------------------------=0A> =0A> At this poin=
t, I thought what I needed to do is setup a=0A> /etc/devfs.rules =0A> file =
in the jail - setting the group ownership in the jail=0A> where the CUPS =
=0A> group exists.=0A> =0A> I created a /etc/devfs.rules file *in* the jail=
...=0A> =0A> ------------------------------------------------------------=
=0A> [localrules=3D5]=0A> add path 'lpt*' group cups=0A> ------------------=
------------------------------------------=0A> =0A> I also added the follow=
ing entry in my jail's /etc/rc.conf=0A> file...=0A> =0A> ------------------=
------------------------------------------=0A> devfs_system_ruleset=3D"loca=
lrules"=0A> ------------------------------------------------------------=0A=
> =0A> Unfortunately, the group assignment statement never seems=0A> to get=
 executed.=0A> =0A> I've gotten around this by just creating a quick script=
=0A> which explicitly =0A> sets the group ownership, and having the script =
be executed=0A> on boot via =0A> /etc/crontab.=0A> =0A> I'm not understandi=
ng why the devfs rules aren't being=0A> applied in the jail =0A> however.  =
Can anyone help?=0A> =0A> If its relevant, i'm using FreeBSD 7.2 (FreeBSD x=
xx.xxx.xxx=0A> 7.2-RELEASE-p4 =0A> FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE-p4 #0: Tue Dec  1 19=
:05:36 GMT=0A> 2009 =0A> user@xxx.xxx.xxx:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/xxx =0A> i38=
6).=0A> =0A> Regards,=0A> =0A> Jazz=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> ----------=
--------------------=0A> =0A> Message: 19=0A> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 18:40:3=
5 +0100=0A> From: Roland Smith <rsmith@xs4all.nl>=0A> Subject: Re: Wireless=
 network control=0A> To: Sean Cavanaugh <millenia2000@hotmail.com>=0A> Cc: =
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=0A> Message-ID: <20091204174035.GA26429@slack=
box.xs4all.nl>=0A> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"=0A> =0A> =
On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 05:05:47PM +0000, Ricardo Jesus=0A> wrote:=0A> > Se=
an Cavanaugh wrote:=0A> > > =0A> > > I am just trying to find out if theres=
 an easier=0A> way to do this.=0A> > >  =0A> > >  =0A> > > currently to get=
 wireless to work on my system, i=0A> have to clone the=0A> > > wireless in=
terface to a wlan0 interface to=0A> actually do any real=0A> > > connection=
s. My home network uses WPA2 encryption=0A> so i use the=0A> > > wpa-suppli=
cant to set that up, but if i go out=0A> and about and hit free wifi=0A> > =
> spots, I have to add the info for them into the=0A> wpa-supplicant.conf f=
ile=0A> > > to get it to access it.=0A> > >  =0A> > > keep in mind that ide=
ally I use the latest gnome=0A> as my desktop. is there=0A> > > an easier t=
ool to do this all with?=0A> =0A> Have a look at http://opal.com/freebsd/po=
rts/net-mgmt/wifimgr=0A> It is in ports; see /usr/ports/net-mgmt/wifimgr=0A=
> =0A> Roland=0A> -- =0A> R.F.Smith             =0A>                =0A>   =
   http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/=0A>; [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encry=
pted/signed email=0A> much appreciated]=0A> pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914  =
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00=0A> From: Michael Schaefer <utf128@googlemail.com>=0A> Subject: Re: "Las=
t login" message=0A> To: Nerius Landys <nlandys@gmail.com>=0A> Cc: question=
s@freebsd.org=0A> Message-ID: <4B194A4D.20802@gmail.com>=0A> Content-Type: =
text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1=0A> =0A> On 04.12.2009 00:16, Nerius Landy=
s wrote:=0A> > I was wondering what controls this, meaning if I get=0A> an =
IP or a=0A> > hostname, and why it's being truncated.=0A> =0A> don't know a=
bout the truncating, but this behavior of=0A> displaying the=0A> last login=
 time and host is handled by pam_lastlog(8).=0A> =0A> i guess the FQHN is j=
ust displayed if a reverse dns entry=0A> exists for the=0A> corresponding i=
p.=0A> =0A> regards - michael=0A> =0A> =0A> ------------------------------=
=0A> =0A> Message: 21=0A> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:28:39 -0800=0A> From: Wi=
lliam Taylor <williamt@corp.sonic.net>=0A> Subject: 8.0 zfs install=0A> To:=
 questions@freebsd.org=0A> Message-ID: <25CC9A9B-DCB3-48BB-BD0A-238957A487F=
A@corp.sonic.net>=0A> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii=0A> =0A>=
 Does the installer in 8.0 support zfs?=0A> =0A> If not whats the easiest w=
ay to get a full zfs install=0A> done?=0A> =0A> =0A> ----------------------=
--------=0A> =0A> Message: 22=0A> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:51:57 -0900=0A> =
From: Henrik Hudson <lists@rhavenn.net>=0A> Subject: Re: recovering data fr=
om this disk=0A> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=0A> Message-ID: <2009120=
4185157.GA4904@alucard.int.rhavenn.net>=0A> Content-Type: text/plain; chars=
et=3Dus-ascii=0A> =0A> On Fri, 04 Dec 2009, Tom Worster wrote:=0A> =0A> > a=
ny suggestions how to recover data from either of the=0A> mirrored disks th=
at i=0A> > can't get to boot? the situation is described below.=0A> =0A> If=
 they were indeed mirrored then try a FreeBSD live distro=0A> boot CD=0A> a=
nd boot into that then just mount one of the disk=0A> partitions that=0A> y=
ou need.=0A> =0A> Henrik=0A> =0A> =0A> > =0A> > (i'm assuming, given the si=
lence on this, that making=0A> the system work after=0A> > the freebsd-upda=
te is a lost cause.)=0A> > =0A> > =0A> > On 12/3/09 11:14 AM, "Tom Worster"=
 <fsb@thefsb.org>=0A> wrote:=0A> > =0A> > > after running freebsd-update -r=
 8.0-RELEASE=0A> upgrade my system won't boot. it=0A> > > gets stuck on mou=
ntroot and i can't find the=0A> magic word it wants.=0A> > > =0A> > > the s=
ystem used to have two sata drives /dev/ad4=0A> and ad6. they were=0A> > > =
partitioned and sliced using the deafaults that=0A> sysinstall suggested.=
=0A> > > =0A> > > at the boot prompt, lsdev says:=0A> > > =0A> > > disk dev=
ices=0A> > >   disk0: BIOS drive C:=0A> > >     disk0s1a: FFS=0A> > >     d=
isk0s1b: swap=0A> > >     disk0s1d: FFS=0A> > >     disk0s1e: FFS=0A> > >  =
   disk0s1f: FFS=0A> > >    disk1: BIOS drive D:=0A> > >     disk1s1a: FFS=
=0A> > >     disk1s1b: swap=0A> > >     disk1s1d: FFS=0A> > >     disk1s1e:=
 FFS=0A> > >     disk1s1f: FFS=0A> > > =0A> > > which looks right, although=
 i'm not familiar with=0A> the "disk" nomenclature.=0A> > > =0A> > > enteri=
ng ? at mountroot mentions ad4 and ad6.=0A> > > =0A> > > geom_mirror was be=
ing used.=0A> > > =0A> > > i've tried saying "load geom_mirror" and/or=0A> =
"enable-module geom_mirror" at the=0A> > > boot prompt. neither made any di=
fference.=0A> > > =0A> > > nothing i've said to mountroot works:=0A> > > =
=0A> > > ufs:/dev/ad4s1a=0A> > > ufs:/dev/ad6s1a=0A> > > ufs:/dev/mirror/gm=
0s1a=0A> > > ufs:/dev/disk0s1a=0A> > > ufs:/dev/disk1s1a=0A> > > =0A> > > d=
oes anyone know the magic word? i'd be very=0A> grateful.=0A> > > =0A> > > =
tom=0A> > =0A> > =0A> > _______________________________________________=0A>=
 > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=0A> mailing list=0A> > http://lists.freebs=
d.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions=0A> > To unsubscribe, send any mai=
l to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"=0A> =0A> -- =0A> Henrik Hu=
dson=0A> lists@rhavenn.net=0A> -----------------------------------------=0A=
> "God, root, what is difference?" Pitr; UF =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> -----------=
-------------------=0A> =0A> Message: 23=0A> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:17:1=
2 +0000=0A> From: Matthew Seaman <m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk>=0A> Subj=
ect: Re: 8.0 zfs install=0A> To: William Taylor <williamt@corp.sonic.net>=
=0A> Cc: questions@freebsd.org=0A> Message-ID: <4B196038.6000902@infracanin=
ophile.co.uk>=0A> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"=0A> =0A>=
 William Taylor wrote:=0A> > Does the installer in 8.0 support zfs?=0A> =0A=
> No.=0A> =0A> > If not whats the easiest way to get a full zfs install=0A>=
 done?=0A> =0A> http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS and links referenced=0A> =
from that page.=0A> =0A>     Cheers,=0A> =0A>     Matthew=0A> =0A> -- =0A> =
Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil.       =0A>            7 Priory=0A> Courtyar=
d=0A>                =0A>                =0A>                =0A>   Flat 3=
=0A> PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey =0A>    Ramsgate=0A>    =
            =0A>                =0A>                =0A>   Kent, CT11 9PW=
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e: 24=0A> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 11:19:20 -0800=0A> From: pete wright <nomad=
logic@gmail.com>=0A> Subject: Re: 8.0 zfs install=0A> To: William Taylor <w=
illiamt@corp.sonic.net>=0A> Cc: questions@freebsd.org=0A> Message-ID:=0A>  =
   <57d710000912041119o43aca29dk6575b241c474ca1d@mail.gmail.com>=0A> Conten=
t-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1=0A> =0A> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 10=
:28 AM, William Taylor <williamt@corp.sonic.net>=0A> wrote:=0A> > Does the =
installer in 8.0 support zfs?=0A> >=0A> > If not whats the easiest way to g=
et a full zfs install=0A> done?=0A> =0A> =0A> This is probably the best pla=
ce to start, in general the=0A> FreeBSD=0A> handbook is the best place to s=
tart looking for any=0A> information you=0A> may have regarding the OS:=0A>=
 =0A> =0A> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/filesy=
stems-zfs.html=0A> =0A> You can also get more information via the FreeBSD w=
iki=0A> here:=0A> http://wiki.freebsd.org/ZFS=0A>; =0A> =0A> -- =0A> pete wr=
ight=0A> www.nycbug.org=0A> =0A> =0A> ------------------------------=0A> =
=0A> Message: 25=0A> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:22:27 -0500=0A> From: Tom Wo=
rster <fsb@thefsb.org>=0A> Subject: Re: recovering data from this disk=0A> =
To: Henrik Hudson <lists@rhavenn.net>,   =0A> <freebsd-questions@freebsd.or=
g>=0A> Message-ID: <C73ECBA3.144E9%fsb@thefsb.org>=0A> Content-Type: text/p=
lain;   =0A> charset=3D"US-ASCII"=0A> =0A> On 12/4/09 1:51 PM, "Henrik Huds=
on" <lists@rhavenn.net>=0A> wrote:=0A> =0A> > On Fri, 04 Dec 2009, Tom Wors=
ter wrote:=0A> > =0A> >> any suggestions how to recover data from either of=
=0A> the mirrored disks that i=0A> >> can't get to boot? the situation is d=
escribed=0A> below.=0A> > =0A> > If they were indeed mirrored then try a Fr=
eeBSD live=0A> distro boot CD=0A> > and boot into that then just mount one =
of the disk=0A> partitions that=0A> > you need.=0A> =0A> thanks, henrik,=0A=
> =0A> but i wasn't able to make the live fs fixit shell work. i=0A> get an=
 error=0A> message when i try to start the live fs shell: "ldconfig=0A> cou=
ld not create=0A> the ld.so hints file" and all commands fail to work.=0A> =
=0A> tom=0A> =0A> =0A> >> =0A> >> (i'm assuming, given the silence on this,=
 that=0A> making the system work after=0A> >> the freebsd-update is a lost =
cause.)=0A> >> =0A> >> =0A> >> On 12/3/09 11:14 AM, "Tom Worster" <fsb@thef=
sb.org>=0A> wrote:=0A> >> =0A> >>> after running freebsd-update -r 8.0-RELE=
ASE=0A> upgrade my system won't boot. it=0A> >>> gets stuck on mountroot an=
d i can't find the=0A> magic word it wants.=0A> >>> =0A> >>> the system use=
d to have two sata drives=0A> /dev/ad4 and ad6. they were=0A> >>> partition=
ed and sliced using the deafaults=0A> that sysinstall suggested.=0A> >>> =
=0A> >>> at the boot prompt, lsdev says:=0A> >>> =0A> >>> disk devices=0A> =
>>>   disk0: BIOS drive C:=0A> >>>     disk0s1a: FFS=0A> >>>     disk0s1b: =
swap=0A> >>>     disk0s1d: FFS=0A> >>>     disk0s1e: FFS=0A> >>>     disk0s=
1f: FFS=0A> >>>    disk1: BIOS drive D:=0A> >>>     disk1s1a: FFS=0A> >>>  =
   disk1s1b: swap=0A> >>>     disk1s1d: FFS=0A> >>>     disk1s1e: FFS=0A> >=
>>     disk1s1f: FFS=0A> >>> =0A> >>> which looks right, although i'm not f=
amiliar=0A> with the "disk" nomenclature.=0A> >>> =0A> >>> entering ? at mo=
untroot mentions ad4 and ad6.=0A> >>> =0A> >>> geom_mirror was being used.=
=0A> >>> =0A> >>> i've tried saying "load geom_mirror" and/or=0A> "enable-m=
odule geom_mirror" at=0A> >>> the=0A> >>> boot prompt. neither made any dif=
ference.=0A> >>> =0A> >>> nothing i've said to mountroot works:=0A> >>> =0A=
> >>> ufs:/dev/ad4s1a=0A> >>> ufs:/dev/ad6s1a=0A> >>> ufs:/dev/mirror/gm0s1=
a=0A> >>> ufs:/dev/disk0s1a=0A> >>> ufs:/dev/disk1s1a=0A> >>> =0A> >>> does=
 anyone know the magic word? i'd be very=0A> grateful.=0A> >>> =0A> >>> tom=
=0A> >> =0A> >> =0A> >> _______________________________________________=0A>=
 >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=0A> mailing list=0A> >> http://lists.free=
bsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions=0A> >> To unsubscribe, send any =
mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A>=
 ------------------------------=0A> =0A> Message: 26=0A> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2=
009 13:23:35 -0600=0A> From: Peter Steele <psteele@maxiscale.com>=0A> Subje=
ct: Is there the equivalent of a Windows "fast format"=0A> for UFS?=0A> To:=
 "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org"=0A> <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>=0A> Me=
ssage-ID:=0A>     <7B9397B189EB6E46A5EE7B4C8A4BB7CB33C6C072@MBX03.exg5.exgh=
ost.com>=0A> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"=0A> =0A> I susp=
ect I know the answer to this question but I'll ask=0A> it anyway. We're de=
aling with some very large disks (11TB=0A> raid array) and a newfs operatio=
n takes a significant time.=0A> Is there any way to get a volume formatted =
faster than the=0A> typical newfs does?=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> ----------------=
--------------=0A> =0A> Message: 27=0A> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:26:55 -10=
00=0A> From: Al Plant <noc@hdk5.net>=0A> Subject: Re: [Solved] Having probl=
ems burning a DVD=0A> To: James Phillips <anti_spam256@yahoo.ca>=0A> Cc: fr=
eebsd-questions@freebsd.org=0A> Message-ID: <4B19627F.7020908@hdk5.net>=0A>=
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1;=0A> format=3Dflowed=0A> =
=0A> James Phillips wrote:=0A> > Hello,=0A> > =0A> > After making two coast=
ers with a graphical CD burning=0A> program using Ubuntu, I decided to try =
using FreeBSD: I want=0A> to start backing up to DVD anyway.=0A> > =0A> > A=
fter some searching I learned I missed some details=0A> in the handbook on =
the first and second reads such as:=0A> > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.=
ISO8859-1/books/handbook/creating-dvds.html=0A> > "The program growisofs(1)=
 will be used to perform DVD=0A> recording. This command is part of the dvd=
+rw-tools=0A> utilities (sysutils/dvd+rw-tools). The dvd+rw-tools support=
=0A> all DVD media types."=0A> > =0A> > I had hard time finding the non-exi=
stent growisofs=0A> package!=0A> > =0A> > "These tools use the SCSI subsyst=
em to access to the=0A> devices, therefore the ATAPI/CAM support must be ad=
ded to=0A> your kernel. If your burner uses the USB interface this=0A> addi=
tion is useless, and you should read the Section 18.5=0A> for more details =
on USB devices configuration."=0A> > =0A> > Using the atapicd driver genera=
ted the following error=0A> message:=0A> >  :-( unable to CAMGETPASSTHRU fo=
r /dev/acd0:=0A> Inappropriate ioctl for device=0A> > =0A> > After the comm=
and:=0A> > $ growisofs -dvd-compat -Z=0A> /dev/acd0=3D8.0-RELEASE-i386-dvd1=
.iso=0A> > before you ask:=0A> > MD5 (8.0-RELEASE-i386-dvd1.iso) =3D=0A> 53=
36cd827991e4d4cff6d73c4a5ca105=0A> > Release announcement:=0A> 5336cd827991=
e4d4cff6d73c4a5ca105=0A> > =0A> > I tried playing with /etc/devfs.conf as s=
uggested by=0A> Predrag Punosevac=0A> > $ id=0A> > uid=3D1002(backup) gid=
=3D1002(backup)=0A> groups=3D1002(backup),5(operator),1003(Share)=0A> > $ c=
at /etc/devfs.conf  |sed 's/#.*//g'=0A> > link    cd0    cdrom=0A> > link  =
  cd0    dvd=0A> > link    cd0    rdvd=0A> > own    cdrom   =0A> root:opera=
tor=0A> > own    dvd   =0A> root:operator=0A> > own    rdvd   =0A> root:ope=
rator=0A> > perm    cd0    0660=0A> > perm    cdrom    0660=0A> > perm    d=
vd    0660=0A> > perm    rdvd    0660=0A> > perm    xpt0    0660=0A> > perm=
    pass0    0660=0A> > -> that sed command was stolen from a script=0A> ex=
pecting <CR><lf>=0A> > ->originally used device acd0 (until enabling=0A> at=
apicam)=0A> > $ cat /boot/loader.conf=0A> > acpi_load=3D"no"=0A> > apm_load=
=3D"yes"=0A> > atapicam_load=3D"yes"=0A> > #ata_load=3D"yes"    # enabled b=
y default=0A> > scbus_load=3D"yes"=0A> > cd_load=3D"yes"=0A> > pass_load=3D=
"yes"=0A> > atapicd_load=3D"no"=0A> > #hw.ata.atapi_dma=3D"1"  # enabled by=
 default=0A> > =0A> > With the atapicam driver I was able to somehow get=0A=
> growisofs to go through the motions of burning the DVD, even=0A> have a k=
ernel message from GEOM reading the BSD label:=0A> > $ tail /var/log/messag=
es=0A> > Dec  3 20:00:00 dusty newsyslog[833]: logfile=0A> turned over due =
to size>100K=0A> > Dec  3 20:00:28 dusty kernel: GEOM_LABEL: Label=0A> for =
provider acd0t01 is iso9660/FreeBSD_Install.=0A> > =0A> > but can't read th=
e disk to verify it:=0A> > $ dd if=3D/dev/cd0 bs=3D2048 | md5=0A> > 996592+=
0 records in=0A> > 996592+0 records out=0A> > 2041020416 bytes transferred =
in 1292.388284 secs=0A> (1579263 bytes/sec)=0A> > 19b087536234b316b64232ba6=
b1c1799=0A> > =0A> > Umm. Nevermind. I added the block size so nobody would=
=0A> try suggesting it has an effect :P  previous error:=0A> > $ dd if=3D/d=
ev/cd0 | md5=0A> > dd: /dev/cd0: Invalid argument=0A> > 0+0 records in=0A> =
> 0+0 records out=0A> > 0 bytes transferred in 0.000721 secs (0 bytes/sec)=
=0A> > d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e=0A> > =0A> > =0A> > I noticed that =
the hash does not match the ISO file.=0A> Is that normal for DVDs? For CD i=
mages I often get the md5=0A> hash to match.=0A> > =0A> > The man page for =
atapicam(4) warns:=0A> > "atapicam and ATAPI-specific target drivers (acd(4=
),=0A> ast(4), and afd(4))=0A> >  can be configured in the same kernel. =0A=
> Simultaneous access to the same=0A> >  device through the SCSI generic dr=
ivers and the=0A> ATAPI-specific drivers=0A> >  may cause problems and is s=
trongly=0A> discouraged."=0A> > =0A> > Is there anything special I should d=
o to try to=0A> disable the atapicd driver? I don't think my=0A> 'atapicd_l=
oad=3D"no"' line in /boot/loader.conf has much of an=0A> effect.=0A> > =0A>=
 > Regards,=0A> > =0A> > James Phillips=0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> >   =0A>  =
  __________________________________________________________________=0A> > =
Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr!=0A> =0A> > =0A> > ht=
tp://www.flickr.com/gift/=0A> > ___________________________________________=
____=0A> > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=0A> mailing list=0A> > http://list=
s.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions=0A> > To unsubscribe, send=
 any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"=0A> =0A> Aloha JP,=
=0A> =0A> This is what I use on FreeBSD from the command line to burn=0A> D=
VD's.=0A> I have used it on FreeBSD 8* for a while. (Simple and it=0A> work=
s.)-=0A> =0A> =0A> ##########=0A> =0A> dvdburner.doc=0A> DVD+R burner Setup=
 and operation=0A> =0A> =0A>  From sysutils/dvd+rw-tools=0A> Intall the DVD=
 port=0A> =0A> # growisofs=0A> =0A> ( used the following from all the sugge=
stions and it worked=0A> with Manolis =0A>   DVD p1 7.2)=0A> =0A> 1st>  Put=
 hw.ata.atapi_dma=3D"1" in the=0A> /boot/loader.conf=0A> 2nd> Put apticam_l=
oad=3D"YES" in the /boot/loader.conf=0A> =0A> (That 2nd 18.7.2 instruction =
is not clear in the Handbook=0A> section and =0A> should be added.)=0A> =0A=
> =0A> Then> Run # growisofs -dvd-compat -Z =0A> dev/cd0=3D/usr/home/alp/Fr=
eeBSD_7/7.2-RELEASE-p1-i386-disc1.iso=0A> (all on one line)=0A> =0A> Then> =
Use  cd0 as a DVD burner and make the DVD-R=0A> =0A> I tested the DVD on a =
spare box and it installed just=0A> fine.=0A> =0A> ##############=0A> =0A> =
=0A> ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii -  Phone: =0A> 808-284-2740=0A>    + http=
://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org +=0A>    + http://aloha50.net =
  -=0A> Supporting - FreeBSD  7.2 - 8.0 - 9* +=0A>    < email: noc@hdk5.net=
 >=0A> "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."-=0A> Lewis=
 Carrol=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> ------------------------------=0A> =0A> Message:=
 28=0A> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:32:19 -0600=0A> From: Dan Nelson <dnelson@=
allantgroup.com>=0A> Subject: Re: malformed man pages=0A> To: Sagara Wijetu=
nga <sagara@tomahawk.com.sg>=0A> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=0A> Mess=
age-ID: <20091204193219.GA84026@dan.emsphone.com>=0A> Content-Type: text/pl=
ain; charset=3Dus-ascii=0A> =0A> In the last episode (Dec 04), Sagara Wijet=
unga said:=0A> > Hi FreeBSD community=0A> > =0A> > We have an issue on Toma=
hawk Desktop (an upcoming=0A> FreeBSD-based distro)=0A> > that all man page=
s malformed.=0A> > =0A> > Eg. man tar shows as follows:=0A> > 1mNAME0m=0A> =
>      1mtar 22m-- format of tape archive=0A> files=0A> > =0A> > 1mDESCRIPT=
ION0m=0A> >      The 1mtar 22marchive format=0A> collects any number of fil=
es, =0A> > directories, and=0A> =0A> That looks sort of like malformed ANSI=
 escape codes (bold=0A> would be "ESC [ 1=0A> m", but the man utilities sho=
uldn't be generating=0A> those.  If you run "man 5=0A> tar | hd | head", wh=
at do you get?  I get this:=0A> =0A> 00000000  54 41 52 28 35 29 09 09  09 =
20 20 46 72=0A> 65 65 42  |TAR(5)...  FreeB|=0A> 00000010  53 44 20 46 69 6=
c 65 20  46 6f 72 6d 61=0A> 74 73 20  |SD File Formats |=0A> 00000020  4d 6=
1 6e 75 61 6c 09 09  09 54 41 52 28=0A> 35 29 0a  |Manual...TAR(5).|=0A> 00=
000030  0a 4e 08 4e 41 08 41 4d  08 4d 45 08 45=0A> 0a 20 20  |.N.NA.AM.ME.=
E.  |=0A> 00000040  20 20 20 74 08 74 61 08  61 72 08 72 20=0A> 2d 2d 20  |=
   t.ta.ar.r -- |=0A> 00000050  66 6f 72 6d 61 74 20 6f  66 20 74 61 70=0A>=
 65 20 61  |format of tape a|=0A> 00000060  72 63 68 69 76 65 20 66  69 6c =
65 73 0a=0A> 0a 44 08  |rchive files..D.|=0A> 00000070  44 45 08 45 53 08 5=
3 43  08 43 52 08 52=0A> 49 08 49  |DE.ES.SC.CR.RI.I|=0A> 00000080  50 08 5=
0 54 08 54 49 08  49 4f 08 4f 4e=0A> 08 4e 0a  |P.PT.TI.IO.ON.N.|=0A> 00000=
090  20 20 20 20 20 54 68 65  20 74 08 74 61=0A> 08 61 72  |     The t.ta.a=
r|=0A> =0A> The doubled letters are handled by /usr/bin/less and=0A> conver=
ted to bold=0A> before displaying.  If you get the same hd output as I=0A> =
have above, then we=0A> know that the manpage is fine, and your problem is =
in=0A> /usr/bin/less or your=0A> terminal type is incorrect.  If you see AN=
SI escape=0A> codes in the hd output,=0A> then we know the problem is with =
the manpage tools.=0A> =0A> -- =0A>     Dan Nelson=0A>     dnelson@allantgr=
oup.com=0A> =0A> =0A=0A=0A> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:23:35 -0600=0A> From: =
Peter Steele <psteele@maxiscale.com>=0A> Subject: Is there the equivalent o=
f a Windows "fast format"=0A> for UFS?=0A> To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.o=
rg"=0A> <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>=0A> Message-ID:=0A> =A0=A0=A0 <7B93=
97B189EB6E46A5EE7B4C8A4BB7CB33C6C072@MBX03.exg5.exghost.com>=0A> Content-Ty=
pe: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"=0A> =0A> I suspect I know the answer t=
o this question but I'll ask=0A> it anyway. We're dealing with some very la=
rge disks (11TB=0A> raid array) and a newfs operation takes a significant t=
ime.=0A> Is there any way to get a volume formatted faster than the=0A> typ=
ical newfs does?=0A> =0A=0AI'm no expert, but I think doing a newfs without=
 zeroing the drive (array) first IS the equivalent of the Windows "Fast For=
mat."=0A=0AAccording to the manpage, increasing the fragment size should re=
duce the number of inodes written. Do you have (or expect) 11TB of small fi=
les? =0A=0ARegards,=0A=0AJames Phillips=0A=0A=0A=0A      __________________=
________________________________________________=0ALooking for the perfect =
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