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Date:      Fri, 5 Oct 2007 00:33:38 +0000
From:      "Aryeh Friedman" <aryeh.friedman@gmail.com>
To:        "Doug Barton" <dougb@freebsd.org>
Cc:        freebsd-current@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: small purposal for change in installworld
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On 10/5/07, Doug Barton <dougb@freebsd.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Oct 2007, Aryeh Friedman wrote:
>
> > Sorry for being a little abrasive... my main point is we should aim
> > for more of a "point and click" style of doing things... apple and ms
> > have done it pretty well for the average case.
>
> I think your mistake is in thinking that this is a goal shared by the
> developers who actually do the work on the base system. I say this as
> someone who has actually spent quite a lot of time working on parts of the
> system that make maintenance, operation, and UI issues "easier" for users.

I never meant point and click in the ui sense... enough private
discussion with various kernel level developers has clarified that...
if a particular developer agrees to a purposal I made I will probally
be helping out with imrpoving ULE.

>
> There is a certain level below which you can't go without radically
> changing the "personality" of the project. Several people have pointed you
> to other projects that use FreeBSD as the OS but add more user-friendly
> stuff on top. I think this is a good approach, and my read of the
> developer community is that this is the direction things will go in the
> future as well.

As I have said in the private discussions with various people on this
thread to fully implement most of my ideas requires a ground up
rewrite of the whole OS (which I am *NOT* asking anyone to do... but I
am using FreeBSD as the development springboard for this [my own
work])



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