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Date:      Tue, 21 Aug 2001 23:31:11 -0700 (PDT)
From:      Hodge Podge <nicole@unixgirl.com>
To:        Marc Rassbach <marc@milestonerdl.com>
Cc:        freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, Michael VanLoon <MichaelV@EDIFECS.COM>, Darryl Okahata <darrylo@soco.agilent.com>
Subject:   Re: 3ware stuff not ready for heavy duty useage-followup
Message-ID:  <XFMail.010821233111.nicole@unixgirl.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0108212308310.25491-100000@tandem.milestonerdl.com>

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On 22-Aug-01 Marc Rassbach wrote:
> 
> 
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Darryl Okahata wrote:
> Let me tell you all a story about a SCSI III RAID array.....
> 
>>      Your points seem to be:
> 
> And this is why I decided to submit my 2 coppers.
> It was a kingston 9 bay tower (black).  Mylex card.  Quantum Drives.
> Called Tech Data (supplier) Mylex and Quantum.  All agreed the $30K of
> parts would work together.
>> "Vendors sell it this way.  It must be good."
> Yes... YET Kingston sold a SCSI III box with ONE SCSI cable 2.5 meters
> long.  (Hint:  6 per 1.5 meter chain is pushing a non LVD SCSI III.  Got
> to learn that the hard way)  No way in hell what I was sold was going to
> work.

> Reminder 1#:  Unless you know actual non-sales people who have a version
> of what you are thinking of running, or you have run it in the past, best
> to go with the idea NONE of it will work.  That way, you don't wear egg on
> your face, AND you look good when it does work.   Hard to quote jobs with
> that attitude, but under promise and over-deliver is always a good MO.

 Which I do.. Several of.. 1 which I pointed out and people keep glazing over
becouse it doesn't help them make their silly power supply point.

 
>> "It works for others."
> 
> Yes...same argument used for the Kingston tower AND the Quantum drives.
> Turns out the Quantums were vers 4 of the EEPROM and its broke.

 I don't want to even touch how silly this is..
 
> 
> To REALLY figure out what is going on, you need REAL data.  Your employer
> won't pay for you to play Qualtiy Control Engineer.  That brings me to
> reminder #2:  Always quote the 'known working solution' IE the high end
> solution where it is someone elses problem.  That way, if they opt to
> choose the lower end solution, you have the out of 'You should have picked
> the higher end version if you wanted this to work'.  Life is full of
> compermises.  

 Welcome to how Sun and IBM walks its way in to most shops and why FreeBSD
 never gets a chance. I have heard it Sooo many times before. I want someone I
can blame and point to.  (are you a manager by chance?) If that is how you
always operate do you only use FreeBSD when they won't go for your 'known
working solution' you can point fingers with?


> At this point, without good technical data of what/how the harddrives were
> handled, the power supply, the quality of the AC line, etc la, this thread
> is generating heat to keep one warm, but not alot of information.  For all
> any of us know *ONE* gate deep in the 3ware is dead, causing the
> problem.  (Had a SCO PC involved with a building lighting hit.  Any
> mulitport serial card at 330 would fail.  Move the cards to antoher
> machine at 330, it would work.  Move the card to 360, and it would start
> working.  Somewhere, a gate was dead on that machine.....)  OR, the hard
> drive was abuse by a shipper.  OR......

 Yes however I will bet even money that if I put a seperate power supply on
every friggen drive and still have the same problem someones gonna say..  I bet
one of Those supplys was bad..  Can folks try, just try to imagine that they
"could" be wrong and come up with some other reason?  Do I honestly have to
Prove it wrong in some scientific way before you are willing to imagine some
other possibility?  Jeeze. Some time I or someone else will have a chance to
test the theory, but for now that is all it is. One thoery.

 Did you read, really read, my last two posts on this?
 
  Nicole
   Ok  Now I am getting a little snide. It just feels like what galileo went
through. He was almost killed for beliving that the earth revolved around the
sun in contrary with current belifes.


 




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