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Date:      Fri, 31 Jan 2003 11:13:21 +0200
From:      Ruslan Ermilov <ru@freebsd.org>
To:        David Schultz <dschultz@uclink.Berkeley.EDU>
Cc:        Christopher Vance <vance@aurema.com>, Steve Kargl <sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>, current@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Seat-belt for source upgrades from stable to current
Message-ID:  <20030131091321.GE6346@sunbay.com>
In-Reply-To: <20030131055815.GB11988@HAL9000.homeunix.com>
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On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 09:58:15PM -0800, David Schultz wrote:
> Thus spake Christopher Vance <vance@aurema.com>:
> > On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 09:07:11PM -0800, Steve Kargl wrote:
> > : On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 08:05:06PM -0800, David Schultz wrote:
> > : > Thus spake Steve Kargl <sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>:
> > : > > On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 07:09:16PM -0800, David Schultz wrote:
> > : > > > OT: Is there a good way to get the CVS metadata in /usr/src and
> > : > > > /usr/ports without transferring the entire source tree over the
> > : > > > network?  On some machines, I'd like to be able to do a CVS
> > : > > > {diff,log,update} now and then, but I don't have the disk space
> > : > > > for the entire repository.  I usually end up blowing away /usr/=
src
> > : > > > and fetching a new copy from a CVS server, but I'm sure this is
> > : > > > far from ideal for the people who pay for that server's bandwid=
th.
> > : > > >=20
> > : > >=20
> > : > > anoncvs
> > : > >=20
> > : > > See the handbook for info.
> > : >=20
> > : > That's a great answer...to a different question.  ;-)
> > :=20
> > : It's the correct answer.  I assumed that you knew
> > : how to use cvs.
> >=20
> > cvsup gets me everything I need to track and compile both current and
> > stable.
> >=20
> > I don't want to be forced into using cvs when there's a better tool
> > available (for some definition of better).  I get paid to use cvs at
> > work, and that's how I know to choose something else...
> >=20
> > For a while, I used to grab the whole repo (with cvsup), and used cvs
> > to get current and stable out of it, but now I consider that a waste
> > of space/time, and have reverted to just using cvsup to get the tags I
> > want.
> >=20
> > I'm not a FreeBSD developer, and very rarely (just a handful of times)
> > have had to modify existing stuff to do what I want, so I don't need
> > my own repo to commit to.  With that, disappers any need to use cvs.
> >=20
> > Perhaps you can explain why cvsup is the wrong answer...
>=20
> I don't know about Steve, but cvsup is the wrong answer for me
> because it's a mirroring tool and not a version control tool.
> Among the things I would like to do are:
>=20
> 	- Update to a specific version of a specific file from the
> 	  repository.
>=20
> 	- Generate a diff between two revisions in the repository,
> 	  or between a version in the repository and some local
> 	  patches of my own.
>=20
> 	- View logs for particular files.
>=20
> I asked the question in hopes that there would be some neat
> feature of cvsup that mocked up some CVS metadata for me, but
> since nobody has mentioned any such thing, I guess I'm out of
> luck.  Mirroring the entire repository is not an option on
> machines with less than 6 GB of spare disk.[1]  Transferring the
> entire source tree over the network via anoncvs is suboptimal when
> all I really want is a few kilobytes of 'CVS' subdirectories.
> But I guess it will have to do for now.
>=20
>=20
> [1] When the system is an aging dual PPro or 200MHz Alpha using
>     SCSI, buying new drives is not practical.
>=20
Well then learn how to use anoncvs?


Cheers,
--=20
Ruslan Ermilov		Sysadmin and DBA,
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