Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 23:31:36 +0100 From: Vincent Hoffman <vince@unsane.co.uk> To: Eitan Adler <lists@eitanadler.com>, Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org> Cc: "Julian H. Stacey" <jhs@berklix.com>, "freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org" <freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org>, freebsd-current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: [rfc] removing the NDISulator Message-ID: <52684E48.20709@unsane.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <CAF6rxg=H_zf2nBSreQqMUgG5kizvPaAeR5H0hVPmfcA661UMTQ@mail.gmail.com> References: <5265878B.1050809@yandex.ru> <201310212146.r9LLkqZ1044966@fire.js.berklix.net> <CAJ-VmomzydOD-M1oePMuqrgdBCFMTXKCZcGVwu%2BLFTnHTGg0Kw@mail.gmail.com> <CAF6rxg=H_zf2nBSreQqMUgG5kizvPaAeR5H0hVPmfcA661UMTQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On 23/10/2013 18:35, Eitan Adler wrote: > On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org> wrote: >> If there are drivers that people absolutely need fixed then they should >> stand up and say "hey, I really would like X to work better!" and then >> follow it up with some encouraging incentives. Right now the NDISulator >> lets people work _around_ this by having something that kind of works for >> them but it doesn't improve our general driver / stack ecosystems. > I doubt most people prefer to use the ndisulator over a native driver. > However, many people don't have the skills, time, or money to provide > the incentives you are talking about. At this point ndisulator > provides a means to an end: working wireless and it isn't causing > significant strain on the project in terms of development effort. > > Our end users are not always developers and I think removing this > feature will hurt more than it will help. > > As an end user, the main issue I have is that according to the manpage it supports ndis 5.1 According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Driver_Interface_Specification this is the version supported by Windows XP <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP>, Server 2003 <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Server_2003>, Windows CE <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_CE>; 4.x, 5.0, 6.0 As you might guess most new devices wont be coming with drivers for XP, so does this mean I wont be able to use drivers for a recent windows version (my understanding is that it will but happy to learn differently) If this is the case and there is no active development on it, a gradual depreciation over the 10.x series is probably a good idea. If however its likely to support current drivers/devices it does have a place (I've used it once or twice in a pinch.) Vince ^
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