Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2023 12:26:10 +0200 From: Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> To: Dave Cottlehuber <dch@skunkwerks.at> Cc: freebsd-questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>, Tim Preston <tim@timpreston.net> Subject: Re: Docker Message-ID: <CA%2B1FSihVrJ8cZ4ZU6mMr0sKJsZ98V4fh2vpDLugw7MGj-%2BEBPg@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <34b4b76e-1c41-4cfb-9e86-856f01e8abc9@app.fastmail.com> References: <20230329053443.6ADA6B6AFED5@dhcp-8e64.meeting.ietf.org> <8E16D624-2655-4A10-844A-93E4F63E9859@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> <078a1cf8-7ae2-c593-615b-f5f37fa2b3eb@timpreston.net> <CA%2B1FSij9j922Nvv1Vhn43HznwpyGT99UZsU674G9hHWzR=UhvQ@mail.gmail.com> <06be3a1e-9319-1a21-88b9-4f87328ee127@timpreston.net> <CA%2B1FSijc%2B-OLNsyFNdR=jP3VzMi4zUE92i5iv9Pfg6AryDy_KQ@mail.gmail.com> <34b4b76e-1c41-4cfb-9e86-856f01e8abc9@app.fastmail.com>
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--000000000000b54d9405f90ced05 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For sure there are users / developers that are in the middle,like it happens in the political area. I like this kind of person. I'm one of those people. My criticism is against those users and developers that show an exaggerated "love" and fidelity towards a system, whether by ideology, whether by habit, or by commercial reasons. I'm a frequent visitor to various freebsd forums and I often read opinions radicalized on linux technologies that should not enter the freebsd world, simply because in Freebsd there are already excellent tools that do their job well. Yes,they work well,but why not add more and different tools that which would allow the creation of bridges between different operating systems ? On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 12:17=E2=80=AFPM Dave Cottlehuber <dch@skunkwerks.a= t> wrote: > On Tue, 11 Apr 2023, at 09:44, Mario Marietto wrote: > > Tim,you are wasting your time. It seems that all of these (good) > > FreeBSD developers don't want you to use Linux technologies if you have > > chosen FreeBSD as the main OS. That's not good and it sounds like a > > discriminatory attitude. > > I think you're mis-representing the position of a lot of people here; > please don't do that. > > The fast-moving Docker.com tech has been moving towards a standards-based > "Open Container" https://opencontainers.org/ definition, and many people > have worked across the standard, the implementation, kernel, & tooling, > now in ports on FreeBSD, to make this possible. Just a few examples: > > - https://github.com/samuelkarp/runj/ > - https://github.com/dfr/ocijail/ > - https://medium.com/@dfr/oci-containers-for-freebsd-512a6df2bc85 > > It would be great to get your feedback on one of these and see what you > tried, and where it breaks with your expectations. > > While it may be possible to run many linux containers with this tooling, > systemd and other linux-specific things could be present in any container > you pull, from systemd, to filesystem requirements, and expecting all > of these to work seamlessly is unrealistic. > > If you want the full Linux-compatible Docker experience, then, yes, > use Linux, either in a VM, or directly. I don't think there are many > FreeBSD people who use only 1 OS, we are by and large pragmatic people. > It's ok to use different tools in different situations. > > A+ > Dave > --=20 Mario. --000000000000b54d9405f90ced05 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">For sure there are users / developers that are in the midd= le,like it happens in the political area. I like this kind of person. I'= ;m one of those people. My criticism is against those users and developers = that show a<span class=3D"gmail-Y2IQFc" lang=3D"en">n exaggerated "lov= e" and fidelity towards a system, whether by ideology, whether by habi= t, or by commercial reasons. I'm a</span><span class=3D"gmail-Y2IQFc" l= ang=3D"en"> frequent visitor to various freebsd forums and I often read opi= nions</span><span class=3D"gmail-Y2IQFc" lang=3D"en"> radicalized on linux = technologies that should not enter the freebsd world, simply because in Fre= ebsd there are already excellent tools that do their job well. Yes,they wor= k well,but why not add more and different tools that</span><span class=3D"g= mail-Y2IQFc" lang=3D"en"> which would allow the creation of bridges between= different operating systems ?</span><span class=3D"gmail-Y2IQFc" lang=3D"e= n"></span><span class=3D"gmail-Y2IQFc" lang=3D"en"></span></div><br><div cl= ass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 11, 2= 023 at 12:17=E2=80=AFPM Dave Cottlehuber <<a href=3D"mailto:dch@skunkwer= ks.at">dch@skunkwerks.at</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail= _quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204= ,204);padding-left:1ex">On Tue, 11 Apr 2023, at 09:44, Mario Marietto wrote= :<br> > Tim,you are wasting your time. It seems that all of these (good) <br> > FreeBSD developers don't want you to use Linux technologies if you= have <br> > chosen FreeBSD as the main OS. That's not good and it sounds like = a <br> > discriminatory attitude.=C2=A0 =C2=A0<br> <br> I think you're mis-representing the position of a lot of people here;<b= r> please don't do that.<br> <br> The fast-moving Docker.com tech has been moving towards a standards-based<b= r> "Open Container" <a href=3D"https://opencontainers.org/" rel=3D"n= oreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://opencontainers.org/</a>; definition, an= d many people<br> have worked across the standard, the implementation, kernel, & tooling,= <br> now in ports on FreeBSD, to make this possible. Just a few examples:<br> <br> - <a href=3D"https://github.com/samuelkarp/runj/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target= =3D"_blank">https://github.com/samuelkarp/runj/</a><br>; - <a href=3D"https://github.com/dfr/ocijail/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"= _blank">https://github.com/dfr/ocijail/</a><br>; - <a href=3D"https://medium.com/@dfr/oci-containers-for-freebsd-512a6df2bc8= 5" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://medium.com/@dfr/oci-contain= ers-for-freebsd-512a6df2bc85</a><br> <br> It would be great to get your feedback on one of these and see what you<br> tried, and where it breaks with your expectations.<br> <br> While it may be possible to run many linux containers with this tooling,<br= > systemd and other linux-specific things could be present in any container<b= r> you pull, from systemd, to filesystem requirements, and expecting all<br> of these to work seamlessly is unrealistic.<br> <br> If you want the full Linux-compatible Docker experience, then, yes,<br> use Linux, either in a VM, or directly. I don't think there are many<br= > FreeBSD people who use only 1 OS, we are by and large pragmatic people.<br> It's ok to use different tools in different situations.<br> <br> A+<br> Dave<br> </blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><br><span class=3D"gmail_signature_pre= fix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature">Mario.<br></d= iv> --000000000000b54d9405f90ced05--
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