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Date:      Fri, 12 Mar 2004 01:26:42 +0200
From:      "Emil Cazamir" <emil.cazamir@galati.rdsnet.ro>
To:        =?iso-8859-1?Q?'Dag-Erling_=22Sm=F8rgrav=22'?= <des@des.no>, <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>
Subject:   RE: Silicon Image Sil 3112 SATARaid Controller
Message-ID:  <20040311232539.D701C43D1F@mx1.FreeBSD.org>
In-Reply-To: <xzp8yi75de6.fsf@dwp.des.no>

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Hi

I'm FreeBSD user since RELENG_4_3 and I founnd useful many of it's =
features.
I accepted the fact that I used a "crappy" motherboard (MSI K7T Turbo2) =
on
which USB suport was less than I expectd (my USB keyboard wasn't usable =
on
RELENG_5, I dindn't tested with RELENG_4, at that time I used a PS/2
keyboard) and the fact that an old crappy Compaq Presario can't use the
PCMCIA/CardBus controller with FreeBSD while same hardware is workinng =
fine
with other more or less commercial OS'es. I see THE FACT that other
developer teams CAN DO some things (like implementing pcmcia/cardbus
properly and usable, on NetBSD 1.6.1 the cardbus controller works fine =
with
Compaq laptop), I see that other developer teams can implement properly
support for well-known hardware like SoundBlaster Live! Sound cards. I
believe that a poor implementation of a specific hardware chip is not a =
good
reason to change motherboards, network cards, soundcards or even =
laptops.
For me is a better option to change the OS as long it is not capable to =
keep
up with actual hardware. Of course, that means that I must forget about
"portupgrade", about the clean configuration and other benefits which I =
may
have if I would use FreeBSD, but there are many users of "crappy" =
hardware
which don't want to up/down-grade their systems JUST BECAUSE it is
impossible or too difficult for most of FreeBSD developers to [find
documentation from chip manufacturers | implement proper support for =
some
piece of hardware]. I'm using now some actual/stable/known hardware with
other OS-es because at this time FreeBSD can't support it... I think =
there
are many others in the same situation.
Here is my computer configuration:
- Motherboard: Abit NF7-S ver 2.0 (memory controller and APU: =
unsupported by
FreeBSD, RAID controller Sil3112, "the crappy" - see the original =
message)
- Graphics card: Ati Radeon 9500 (R300) (DRI not available on FreeBSD =
after
more than one year since chip released, is this too crappy?)
- Extra SoundCard : SoundBlaster Live! - (advanced features not =
supported on
FreeBSD after more than 4 years since released, perhaps SB Live! it's =
more
crappy than 95% of it's users believe).
Conclusion: I'm one of many "crappy hardware" users which are happy to =
move
on to other OS'es if this situation persists.

Please excuse my poor english, it's not my native language.

Best regards,
Emil Cazamir

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org
[mailto:owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Dag-Erling
"Sm=F8rgrav"
Sent: 11 martie 2004 22:37
To: Burhan Nazir
Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Silicon Image Sil 3112 SATARaid Controller

Burhan Nazir <burhan@btinternet.com> writes:
> This controller may be crappy, however it is prevalent amongst many
> nforce2 chipsets.  In particular the asus A7N8X, which is ubiquitous.

You may find the following link to be of interest:

  http://12.24.47.40/display/2n/kb/article.asp?aid=3D10516

> In addition, the controller does work and has so far caused no
> problems under windows, so I am fairly pleased with it.

"works with Windows" has got to be the computer hardware equivalent of
"big in Japan"...

>                                                         So, I would
> hope that there is some talented deveoper out there that does not take
> your narrow minded view

I'm afraid you're the one being narrow-minded here.  Talent alone is
not sufficient to write a good driver.  Experience with the FreeBSD
kernel in general and the ata drivers in particular is a prerequisite,
as is access to sample hardware and chipset documentation.  You'll
have a hard time finding someone with more experience in this area
than S=F8ren, and I wish you luck in obtaining documentation from
Silicon Image.

>                         and take mercy on all those people that would
> love to use freebsd with raid0 on their desktop machines.

There are plenty of other controllers you can use for RAID-0.  Most
Promise controllers, for instance, work flawlessly with FreeBSD, for
the simple reason that Promise actually cares enough to provide S=F8ren
with the hardware and documentation he needs to write good drivers.

DES
--=20
Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no
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