Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2026 21:13:16 +0000 From: Shawn Webb <shawn.webb@hardenedbsd.org> To: Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org> Cc: vermaden <vermaden@interia.pl>, "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>, "freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org" <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>, "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org" <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Tragic State of FreeBSD Audio/Sound Message-ID: <al6Oyjbo7k_g0m47@mutt-hbsd> In-Reply-To: <CAJ-VmokaPsv6LenBXNo4sz7LF-nejLzUH8WJsbZGns_d%2BQxMfw@mail.gmail.com> References: <hkttyyfmuguexmliuhmg@ewtn> <sirudbjwrqwlhpzjpfqf@abqv> <al4oz8xjL5S7qH7h@mutt-hbsd> <CAJ-VmokaPsv6LenBXNo4sz7LF-nejLzUH8WJsbZGns_d%2BQxMfw@mail.gmail.com>
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I was hoping to submit a few bugs, but ${LIFE} keeps me sufficiently
busy these days. ;-)
If I can open up some spare time, I'll take a deeper look. Just been
really low priority for me, and the lack of bug reports shows.
I suspect a couple HardenedBSD features might be getting in the way,
most notably our notion of untrusted kernel modules. I need to do some
extra debugging (that FreeBSD users would normally not have to do)
beforehand so I don't submit a bug report not applicable to FreeBSD.
Thanks,
--
Shawn Webb
Cofounder / Security Engineer
HardenedBSD
Signal Username: shawn_webb.74
Tor-ified Signal: +1 (719) 756-1197 / activist_opsec.27
https://git.hardenedbsd.org/hardenedbsd/pubkeys/-/raw/master/Shawn_Webb/03A4CBEBB82EA5A67D9F3853FF2E67A277F8E1FA.pub.asc
On Mon, Jul 20, 2026 at 11:21:47AM -0700, Adrian Chadd wrote:
> y'all!
>
> please file bugs. like, whenever i have an audio problem i fire off a
> bug and then i poke christos on IRC and we figure it out.
>
> I have like 11 laptops running freebsd-16 dating back to a T420 and
> early macbook air laptops. I haven't got anything earlier as they
> start being i386 and not amd64.
> Audio works on all of them just fine.
>
>
> -adrian
>
> On Mon, 20 Jul 2026 at 07:01, Shawn Webb <shawn.webb@hardenedbsd.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 20, 2026 at 02:04:25AM +0200, vermaden wrote:
> > > Hi.
> > >
> > > For a start lets define some TERMS. I use UPPERCASE not to shout - but to underline a part of the sentence that is needed to be underlined - this is plain email - I do not have Bold/Underscore/Italic options - keep that in mind - now - to the core of the issue ...
> > >
> > > I always considered FreeBSD OSS audio/sound subsystem superior to all ALSA/PulseAudio/PipeWire and other dramas from the Linux world ... but not anymore.
> > >
> > > Somewhere between 14.3-RELEASE and 14.4-RELEASE things begin to get broken - I thought that upgrade to latest and greatest 15.1-RELEASE would solve my issues - as there were LOTS of sound/audio related things.
> > >
> > > I will not even start about PITA syntax of mixer(1) which went into this:
> > >
> > > % mixer -f ${DEV} vol.volume=+0.05
> > >
> > > ... from MUCH MORE friendly syntax.
> > >
> > > But these random 'boozing' sounds are just unacceptable ... and I can not even tell where they came from ... is it OSS problem? Is is PulseAudio problem? Something in between? Because there is NOTHING in the logs for audio.
> > >
> > > Its also possible to get that file from my personal 'mediafire.com' account here:
> > > - https://mediafire.com/file/jw3cpk8g77rvks2/freebsd-tragic-audio-sound.mp4/file
> > >
> > > ... and its not some fancy laptop from yesterday ... its a ThinkPad T480 from 2018 for fuck sake - hardware like that used to run smooth as Carlos Sainz 'smooth operator' in Singapore GP ... but not anymore.
> > >
> > > I do not even know what to add here ... its a message send our of despair ... as newer releases only made these things worse ... I have been repeating this over and over again - but its again probably the issue that 'too less' FreeBSD developers use FreeBSD as their daily driver/desktop/laptop system.
> > >
> > > Sorry to disappoint.
> >
> > I've been experiencing audio issues as well since the recent work
> > started a little while ago (a year? two years? my chronological memory
> > isn't the best.)
> >
> > It's broken bad enough that I now don't use audio on my systems at
> > all. I haven't filed any bug reports, though, because it just hasn't
> > been a priority for me. I've got tons of other systems where audio
> > works fine and it's not really a bother to use those instead of my
> > fbsd/hbsd systems.
> >
> > The only downside is when I want to make sure the YouTube link I'm
> > about to post in random places is really the right one from an audio
> > perspective.
> >
> > Perhaps some day I'll care enough about the problem to actually dig
> > in. But for now, I've got higher priority items on my list to tackle.
> > I just thought I'd provide another anectodal data point with this
> > email.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > --
> > Shawn Webb
> > Cofounder / Security Engineer
> > HardenedBSD
> >
> > Signal Username: shawn_webb.74
> > Tor-ified Signal: +1 (719) 756-1197 / activist_opsec.27
> > https://git.hardenedbsd.org/hardenedbsd/pubkeys/-/raw/master/Shawn_Webb/03A4CBEBB82EA5A67D9F3853FF2E67A277F8E1FA.pub.asc
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