Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2017 14:07:13 +0000 From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" <phk@phk.freebsd.dk> To: TJ Varghese <tj@tjvarghese.com> Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=c3=b8rgr?= =?UTF-8?Q?av?= <des@des.no>, freebsd-security@freebsd.org, Dewayne Geraghty <dewayne.geraghty@heuristicsystems.com.au>, Gordon Tetlow <gordon@tetlows.org> Subject: Re: http subversion URLs should be discontinued in favor of https URLs Message-ID: <3914.1512742033@critter.freebsd.dk> In-Reply-To: <2a8d9a0a-7a64-2dde-4e53-77ee52632846@tjvarghese.com> References: <97f76231-dace-10c4-cab2-08e5e0d792b5@rawbw.com> <5A2709F6.8030106@grosbein.net> <11532fe7-024d-ba14-0daf-b97282265ec6@rawbw.com> <8788fb0d-4ee9-968a-1e33-e3bd84ffb892@heuristicsystems.com.au> <20171205220849.GH9701@gmail.com> <24153.1512513836@critter.freebsd.dk> <1C30FE91-753A-47A4-9B33-481184F853E1@tetlows.org> <867etyzlad.fsf@desk.des.no> <1291.1512658230@critter.freebsd.dk> <2a8d9a0a-7a64-2dde-4e53-77ee52632846@tjvarghese.com>
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-------- In message <2a8d9a0a-7a64-2dde-4e53-77ee52632846@tjvarghese.com>, TJ Vargh= ese w rites: >I'm curious as to your take on electronic banking. Good security is not "all or nothing", it is a carefully calibrated application of security measures to the problem at hand. By forcing all web-traffic onto HTTPS, the rabid IT-liberalist has put governments in a position where they either have to break HTTPS traffic open or give up on having a working criminal justice system. Anybody with a daughter knows what that dice will roll. If you've ever read Clausewitz, you will recognize this strategy as really stupid: *Never* put your enemy in a position where their only option is to defeat you. Various governments are going about this in different ways, some force a trojan root-cert on all their citzens, others pass law where you can be jailed indefinitely until you hand over your passwords, others again try force the IT-industry to "ensure legal access". Unfortunately this happens with little or no intelligent and cooperative input from the IT-community, who seem hell-bent on their "all or nothing" strategy. I personally preferred it back when HTTPS was tolerated by governments, because everybody could see that banking and e-commerce needed it, over the situation now, where HTTPS is so trojaned, that my webbank is no longer trustworthy via HTTPS. -- = Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe = Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence= .
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