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Date:      Sat, 21 Dec 2013 10:31:53 -0600
From:      Nathan Whitehorn <nwhitehorn@freebsd.org>
To:        Devin Teske <dteske@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        "svn-src-head@freebsd.org" <svn-src-head@freebsd.org>, "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" <svn-src-all@freebsd.org>, "src-committers@freebsd.org" <src-committers@freebsd.org>, "Teske, Devin" <Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com>
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r259468 - head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall/scripts
Message-ID:  <52B5C279.4020103@freebsd.org>
In-Reply-To: <37E2A444-38C0-4E8C-A2E1-5FA23B9B0FFF@fisglobal.com>
References:  <201312161550.rBGFox0N001344@svn.freebsd.org> <52AF2502.1060503@freebsd.org> <52B5AA94.3060009@freebsd.org> <DE2B2BE1-6A88-4A1C-AADA-B6308630634E@fisglobal.com> <52B5BDD1.3000106@freebsd.org> <37E2A444-38C0-4E8C-A2E1-5FA23B9B0FFF@fisglobal.com>

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On 12/21/13 10:25, Teske, Devin wrote:
> On Dec 21, 2013, at 8:12 AM, Nathan Whitehorn wrote:
>
>> Looks great, thanks -- although you don't need the f_quietly, which
>> isn't defined there.
>>
>> The issue is that this patch very specific to running the installer on a
>> video console. There are many circumstances in which it is not, in which
>> case this will fail (e.g. a serial console). The other thing is that the
>> installer should not reconfigure the host system unless it has been
>> explicitly asked to. It isn't always run from the install media. If you
>> think the default bindings for these keys don't make sense, then that
>> should ultimately be fixed in the console driver as well.
> My inspiration for this change came from a tweet in which we were
> (unjustly or not; doesn't matter) slammed for not having addressed
> this issue since it (as the person claims) first appeared in 6.x.
>
> Having felt the persons pain (and verified that, indeed, we continue
> to be plagued in 10) I decided to do start researching the problem
> in-depth.
>
> The links I posted in the commit message give an excellent view of
> the issue and in-fact doesn't even mention using kbdcontrol. Instead
> it is suggested that we create an alternate keymap that ignores the
> command keys.
>
> That sounds like one approach (and wins points because it is opt-
> in) but it doesn't solve the problem for me or anyone else running
> the installer.
>
> Perhaps if we had this alternate keymap in the base which does the
> desired thing (ignore the command keys), then we could just say that
> the user ought to select said keymap at the onset of the installation
> process.
>
> But I'm not sure *I* like that approach because then it means that for
> my own testing, I have to select an alternate keymap everytime I run
> the installer in VMware.
>
> Rather, it seems to me that the installation process, if it ignored the
> command key on every non-serial platform... this would be fine.
> Afterall, once they get the system installed, they'll have the desired
> keymap set and they can forget.

I'd prefer opt-out -- having the default be the option that is least
surprising is a good idea. In any case, moving it to rc.local solves all
the immediate problem.
-Nathan



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