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Date:      Sat, 7 Apr 2007 06:40:21 -0400 (EDT)
From:      Robert Watson <rwatson@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= <des@des.no>
Cc:        Ed Schouten <ed@fxq.nl>, FreeBSD Current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>, Nikolas Britton <nikolas.britton@gmail.com>, Julian Elischer <julian@elischer.org>
Subject:   Re: Do we need this junk?
Message-ID:  <20070407063804.H30801@fledge.watson.org>
In-Reply-To: <86ps6h8as6.fsf@dwp.des.no>
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On Fri, 6 Apr 2007, Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote:

> "Nikolas Britton" <nikolas.britton@gmail.com> writes:
>> Julian Elischer <julian@elischer.org> writes:
>>> We have a LOT  of old systems running around the world.
>> But the old systems don't need the latest and greatest copy of
>> FreeBSD! This is why we provide errata / security fixes. The systems
>> are a static non moving target ???
>
> Excuse me?  Who's "we"?
>
> Julian, Warner, Scott, Bernd, Giorgios, Wilko, myself and many others who=
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> have contradicted you in this discussion are veteran FreeBSD developers w=
ith=20
> something like a hundred years of industry experience between us.
>
> You, on the other hand are just a pathetic little fuck who has repeatedly=
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> demonstrated his complete lack of understanding of anything remotely=20
> approaching real computers, real software and real life.
>
> You do not get to tell us how to run our project.
>
> You do not get to say "we".

Guys,

This is getting out of hand.  It's clear that people can and will be runnin=
g=20
FreeBSD on older hardware for a long time to come, and that we can accept o=
r=20
disregard this advice -- or even find a middle ground, like determining=20
whether shipping additional kernel configurations would help -- without=20
turning this into a flame war.

Robert N M Watson
Computer Laboratory
University of Cambridge
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