Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 06:25:50 -0400 From: "Charles Hatvany" <Charles@hatvany.com> To: aparsons@abacom.com, george@durham.net, pamela.p@opendns.biz Cc: anita.archambault@bell.ca, diane.cincar@bell.ca, f.dubois-beauchamp@bell.ca, ispchat@bell.ca, j.steele@bell.ca, joanne.page@bell.ca, joelle.picard@bell.ca, julie.allain@bell.ca, julie.taylor@bell.ca, ken.white@bell.ca, leslie.williams@bell.ca, marc.morin@bell.ca, mike.gosselin@bell.ca, sheila.ward@bell.ca, sherwood.flemming@bell.ca, stephanie.riley@bell.ca, caip-members@caip.ca, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, list@iip.ca Subject: Re: Excess Capacity Message-ID: <scf5c60f.081@hatvany.com>
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I don't know about you guys "North of the Border", but the Telcos South of the Border have to file their rates and be approved both at the state and the federal level (two different deals) to get what they call tariffs. They can sell you at these tariffs, but cannot discount their rates, except as described in the tariffs (Usually for different length contracts.) All others also use the Telcos for the local loop portion of all high speed connections. Charles Hatvany Charles Hatvany Charles Hatvany and Associates, Inc. 25 Newport Street Arlington, MA 02476-6298 Voice: 781-648-4100 Fax: 781-643-1210 E-mail: charles@hatvany.com Web-site: http://hatvany.net and: http://hatvany.com >>> "Pamela Patterson" <pamela.p@opendns.biz> 05/29/02 06:00PM >>> This happens after a long day at two keyboards, and 4 monitors. How about this for a comment? Its not in the Telco's best interest to sell at great prices to ISP's. They want it all! Cheers. ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Ramos" <george@durham.net> To: "'Pamela Patterson'" <pamela.p@opendns.biz>; "'Alain Parsons'" <aparsons@abacom.com> Cc: <ispchat@bell.ca>; <julie.taylor@bell.ca>; <julie.allain@bell.ca>; <marc.morin@bell.ca>; <mike.gosselin@bell.ca>; <joanne.page@bell.ca>; <sherwood.flemming@bell.ca>; <leslie.williams@bell.ca>; <ken.white@bell.ca>; <sheila.ward@bell.ca>; <j.steele@bell.ca>; <anita.archambault@bell.ca>; <f.dubois-beauchamp@bell.ca>; <joelle.picard@bell.ca>; <stephanie.riley@bell.ca>; <diane.cincar@bell.ca>; <list@iip.ca>; <freebsd-isp@freebsd.org>; <caip-members@caip.ca> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 02:30 Subject: RE: Excess Capacity > I'm sorry Pamela, I don't get your point. I get my pricing from ISPCHAT, > these guys are not fat cat salespeople, they are actuallt our support people > at Bell. > Why would they behave in the fashion that you described?...., I mean, in > theory there is no reason for that... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pamela Patterson [mailto:pamela.p@opendns.biz] > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 5:44 PM > To: Alain Parsons; George Ramos > Cc: ispchat@bell.ca; julie.taylor@bell.ca; julie.allain@bell.ca; > marc.morin@bell.ca; mike.gosselin@bell.ca; joanne.page@bell.ca; > sherwood.flemming@bell.ca; leslie.williams@bell.ca; ken.white@bell.ca; > sheila.ward@bell.ca; j.steele@bell.ca; anita.archambault@bell.ca; > f.dubois-beauchamp@bell.ca; joelle.picard@bell.ca; > stephanie.riley@bell.ca; diane.cincar@bell.ca; list@iip.ca; > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; caip-members@caip.ca > Subject: Re: Excess Capacity > > > How many Clec's do you think there are with "Excess Capacity" and marketing > people refusing to sell it ? How many colo's are vacant but, the sales guy > wants that one big sale, so no discounts? We see it all the time. Sales & > Marketing (Price Fixers) have driven many a CLEC to bankruptcy. > > On another note: Tommorrow I think is the day the CRTC is supposed to issue > a ruling on the fee's Clec's pay to ILec's. Should be interesting. > > Pamela Patterson > > * We are Sales Driven - Not Process Driven * > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the messagehelp
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