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Date:      Thu, 30 May 2002 06:25:50 -0400
From:      "Charles Hatvany" <Charles@hatvany.com>
To:        aparsons@abacom.com, george@durham.net, pamela.p@opendns.biz
Cc:        anita.archambault@bell.ca, diane.cincar@bell.ca, f.dubois-beauchamp@bell.ca, ispchat@bell.ca, j.steele@bell.ca, joanne.page@bell.ca, joelle.picard@bell.ca, julie.allain@bell.ca, julie.taylor@bell.ca, ken.white@bell.ca, leslie.williams@bell.ca, marc.morin@bell.ca, mike.gosselin@bell.ca, sheila.ward@bell.ca, sherwood.flemming@bell.ca, stephanie.riley@bell.ca, caip-members@caip.ca, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, list@iip.ca
Subject:   Re: Excess Capacity
Message-ID:  <scf5c60f.081@hatvany.com>

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I don't know about you guys "North of the Border", but the Telcos South of =
the Border have to file their rates and be approved both at the state and =
the federal level (two different deals) to get what they call tariffs.  =
They can sell you at these tariffs, but cannot discount their rates, =
except as described in the tariffs (Usually for different length contracts.=
)  All others also use the Telcos for the local loop portion of all high =
speed connections.

Charles Hatvany


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>>> "Pamela Patterson" <pamela.p@opendns.biz> 05/29/02 06:00PM >>>
This happens after a long day at two keyboards, and 4 monitors.  How about
this for a comment?

Its not in the Telco's best interest to sell at great prices to ISP's. =
They
want it all!

Cheers.


----- Original Message -----
From: "George Ramos" <george@durham.net>
To: "'Pamela Patterson'" <pamela.p@opendns.biz>; "'Alain Parsons'"
<aparsons@abacom.com>
Cc: <ispchat@bell.ca>; <julie.taylor@bell.ca>; <julie.allain@bell.ca>;
<marc.morin@bell.ca>; <mike.gosselin@bell.ca>; <joanne.page@bell.ca>;
<sherwood.flemming@bell.ca>; <leslie.williams@bell.ca>; <ken.white@bell.ca>=
;
<sheila.ward@bell.ca>; <j.steele@bell.ca>; <anita.archambault@bell.ca>;
<f.dubois-beauchamp@bell.ca>; <joelle.picard@bell.ca>;
<stephanie.riley@bell.ca>; <diane.cincar@bell.ca>; <list@iip.ca>;
<freebsd-isp@freebsd.org>; <caip-members@caip.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 02:30
Subject: RE: Excess Capacity


> I'm sorry Pamela, I don't get your point. I get my pricing from ISPCHAT,
> these guys are not fat cat salespeople, they are actuallt our support
people
> at Bell.
> Why would they behave in the fashion that you described?...., I mean, in
> theory there is no reason for that...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pamela Patterson [mailto:pamela.p@opendns.biz]=20
> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 5:44 PM
> To: Alain Parsons; George Ramos
> Cc: ispchat@bell.ca; julie.taylor@bell.ca; julie.allain@bell.ca;
> marc.morin@bell.ca; mike.gosselin@bell.ca; joanne.page@bell.ca;
> sherwood.flemming@bell.ca; leslie.williams@bell.ca; ken.white@bell.ca;
> sheila.ward@bell.ca; j.steele@bell.ca; anita.archambault@bell.ca;
> f.dubois-beauchamp@bell.ca; joelle.picard@bell.ca;
> stephanie.riley@bell.ca; diane.cincar@bell.ca; list@iip.ca;
> freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; caip-members@caip.ca=20
> Subject: Re: Excess Capacity
>
>
> How many Clec's do you think there are with "Excess Capacity" and
marketing
> people refusing to sell it ?  How many colo's are vacant but, the sales
guy
> wants that one big sale, so no discounts? We see it all the time. Sales =
&
> Marketing (Price Fixers) have driven many  a CLEC to bankruptcy.
>
> On another note: Tommorrow I think is the day the CRTC is supposed to
issue
> a ruling on the fee's Clec's pay to ILec's. Should be interesting.
>
> Pamela Patterson
>
> * We are Sales Driven - Not Process Driven *
>


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