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Date:      Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:35:24 -0500
From:      Michael Lucas <mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org>
To:        D J Hawkey Jr <hawkeyd@visi.com>
Cc:        hackers@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Tangent for discussion: FreeBSD performs worse that Linux
Message-ID:  <20011210093524.A29538@blackhelicopters.org>
In-Reply-To: <20011210082912.A29365@sheol.localdomain>; from hawkeyd@visi.com on Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 08:29:12AM -0600
References:  <20011209100855.A22942@sheol.localdomain> <20011209084620.V14858-100000@coredump.scriptkiddie.org> <20011209111523.A23357@sheol.localdomain> <20011209175137.B13554@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20011209121703.A23726@sheol.localdomain> <20011209172652.A25745@blackhelicopters.org> <20011210074151.A29219@sheol.localdomain> <20011210085038.A29274@blackhelicopters.org> <20011210082912.A29365@sheol.localdomain>

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On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 08:29:12AM -0600, D J Hawkey Jr wrote:
> You did, eh? Hmm. It didn't show up in the INN mirror I monitor (sol.net
> Network Services, Milwaukee, WI). Sorry.

Ah, INN.  It made it to the mailing list.

> As long as the user/admin understands that the patch is very target-
> specific, yes. If the target has moved a little, though, things may well
> get a bit hairy. I guess I don't want "caveat emptor" as the fallback
> position I would have to assume, though I'd make myself available to
> help with such cases.

Well, here's something most people don't really realize:

"caveat emptor" is the default FreeBSD fallback position.  We don't
guarantee any support of our product.

These higher-level admins you worry about should know darn well the
implications of their actions.  And there's always a worst-case
fallback; blow away /usr/src and reinstall from known good media.

> Hopefully. And yes, the "rather elderly" would be potential targets.
> Isn't that the point of all this, after all?

True.  My point is, you must start somewhere.

> When I've got the site up, who (or what mailing list) do I want to notify?

If at all possible, take out a full-page ad in the New York Times.
FreeBSD could really use the exposure.  Failing that, a posting on
this list would be fine.  :)

==ml

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Michael Lucas
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