Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 17:09:11 +0000 From: Johannes Lundberg <johalun0@gmail.com> To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is evdev and autoloading? Message-ID: <9a8f4152-af60-88f3-c5a0-8990cccbc2f1@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <201902181512.x1IFCOwm005711@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> References: <201902181512.x1IFCOwm005711@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net>
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On 2/18/19 3:12 PM, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: >> On 2/18/19 12:06 PM, Stefan Blachmann wrote: >>> On 2/18/19, Vladimir Kondratyev <vladimir@kondratyev.su> wrote: >>>> On 2019-02-17 21:03, Steve Kargl wrote: >>>>> Anyone have insight into what evdev is? >>>> evdev.ko is a small in-kernel library that makes all your input even= ts >>>> like keyboard presses libinput-compatible. >>> And libinput was created by the Freedesktop Wayland team to create >>> pressure on OS people to make their systems Wayland-compatible. >>> >>>>> I do not need nor what these modules loaded. >>>> I think removing "option EVDEV_SUPPORT" from your kernel config shou= ld >>>> disable most of evdev.ko dependencies >>> Shouldn't the EVDEV_SUPPORT default be off on FreeBSD anyway, as well= >>> as libinput not be part of the standard packages? >>> >>> The Freedesktop Wayland team consists of people with the Kay Sievers >>> mentality, which made Linus Torvalds ban his contributions. They do >>> not care about the bugs they introduce, forcing others to clean up th= e >>> mess they create. >>> >>> I'd be glad if FreeBSD would keep clean of following that Wayland fad= =2E.. >> EVDEV_SUPPORT was enabled in GENERIC on 13 and 12-stable to improve=20 >> input device handling in X and Wayland. Not having it means that a lo= t=20 >> of input devices stop working, or work much worse. >> >> We in the FreeBSD Graphics Team are working very hard to improve the=20 >> FreeBSD Desktop experience, since it is an avenue to recruit new users= ,=20 >> and make current users use FreeBSD more. > Sadly your execution on that seems to be missing the mark, > telling people they have to go get a port now to get drm working > because it could not be maintained in base, and then telling them, > oh, you need this new code in base so that it is so much easier > to use graphical stuff this way. > > These seem to be conflicting stories. You don't need evdev or libinput to have a functional desktop with a 3-button mouse but some modern desktop environments require it. Why should we not include the large group of people who want to run a modern desktop? Including more users does not mean excluding anyone in this case= =2E > >> Evdev and libinput is used by both Wayland and xorg. You are free to = >> use either one. > And sadly now must take action when no action was required before > when using neither. Take what action? If you don't need it, just don't use it. If you don't want change, stay on older release. If you are a purist and want to remove everything in the kernel you don't use, you probably already have your custom kernel config, and you probably are a minority. Consider the well-being, progress and future of the project and the community at large instead of your ego. >
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