Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 07:32:40 -0400 From: Jerry <jerry@seibercom.net> To: FreeBSD <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: List Spam Filtering Message-ID: <20130512073240.0c15604c@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20130512073931.c85d1a0b1639a79efc489df1@sohara.org> References: <20130511170944.20e6037204c186923a385d7e@sohara.org> <201305111744.r4BHik5Y069562@fire.js.berklix.net> <20130512073931.c85d1a0b1639a79efc489df1@sohara.org>
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On Sun, 12 May 2013 07:39:31 +0100 Steve O'Hara-Smith articulated: > On Sat, 11 May 2013 19:44:46 +0200 > "Julian H. Stacey" <jhs@berklix.com> wrote: > > > Hi, > > "Steve O'Hara-Smith" wrote: > > > On Thu, 09 May 2013 02:26:26 +0200 > > > "Julian H. Stacey" <jhs@berklix.com> wrote: > > > > > > > If list write access was changed to Subscribers Only: > > > > - List could silently discard such spam. > > > > - Postmaster@ (& webmaster@ weeding web archives) would have > > > > less work. > > > > - Less individual need to select spam phrases to copy to > > > > personal filters (& less time searching WTF dialect American > > > > above meant in English ;-). > > > > > > The downside is that it would require people to subscribe > > > in order to ask a question, > > > > True. I suggest the up side outweighs the down side though. > > From the point of view of subscribers perhaps, however from > the point of view of users who don't wish to subscribe in order to > ask a single question it is the other way round. I am not really a big fan of paying for a hunting license since I only hunt once a year; however, they still make me do it. As a POC earlier this year, I subscribed to this list under a different name & address, returned to my MUA and the responding message from this list was waiting. I replied to it and was there upon subscribed. Total time, less than 1-1/2 minutes. And that included me taking a sip of coffee. The time to remove myself from the list was similar. Hell, it takes me longer than that to gather all of the info I might need to either ask or respond to a question on this list. > > > this is also the reason for the convention of using > > > "Reply to all" in FreeBSD mailing lists. It's been a convention > > > for a *long* time, at least since FreeBSD 1.1 was shiny and new > > > in 1993. > > > > I'm not intending to question or suggest any change re CC behaviour. > > (Maybe you mis-read or mis-infered what I intended, > > Not at all, just pointing out that the two things have a > common reason in the FreeBSD lists. Personally I doubt that either > will change any time soon. > > > or maybe I mis-wrote, or mis-implied, whatever, please forget > > that bit, though as background I'd observe: > > Questions@ didn't exist for quite a while after FreeBSD > > started, Hackers@ & some others preceded it. > > A good many others indeed - but all the "user" lists have > always had the same conventions. > > > Various people prune CC when they get littered with too > > many CC. ) I never respond to CC'ers. If they cannot take the time to subscribe, I cannot afford the time to respond. > True enough - and occasionally this loses the unsubscribed OP. Perhaps our list should include a disclaimer (I hate them) that states: WARNING: CC ARE YOUR OWN RISK Actually, I think this is kind of funn: From: Steve O'Hara-Smith <steve@sohara.org> To: "Julian H. Stacey" <jhs@berklix.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Technically, I am responding to a CC'er who happens to be the list operator/owner or whatever terminology turns you on. My sieve filters are designed to filter out an CC messages; however, they are also designed to accept any mail from FreeBSD*. Since I was not in the CC address (directly), I ended up getting a CC'd mesage. I really have to rework my filters. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________
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