Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 13:54:30 -0500 (EST) From: doug <doug@fledge.watson.org> To: Baho Utot <baho-utot@columbus.rr.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New packaging approach Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.20.1712101201270.91490@fledge.watson.org> In-Reply-To: <07f48e07-ce70-7a26-ea19-fd389375afb4@columbus.rr.com> References: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1712100018070.47298@bucksport.safeport.com> <07f48e07-ce70-7a26-ea19-fd389375afb4@columbus.rr.com>
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On Sun, 10 Dec 2017, Baho Utot wrote:
> On 12/10/2017 12:33 AM, DTD wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 9 Dec 2017, Polytropon wrote:
>>
>>> However, I am not sure how the new packaging approach will handle this. As
>>> you might have read, pkg will be used for installing and upgrading OS
>>> files in the future, so there will not be the big difference
>>> "freebsd-update" and "pkg update" / "pkg upgrade".
>>
>> Where can I read about this? If this leads to dependency issues similar to
>> those encountered with desktops, my reaction is more of 'oh s--t' rather
>> then 'oh boy'. Back to the days when the odd or even versions numbers were
>> for those of us (read me) who do not track Stable for similar reasons.
>>
>
> The way the packaging of base is currently being done will*guarantee a great
> level of OH SHIT.
First, I will qualify my comments by saying I am an end user. I did take Kurt
McKusick's internals course a decade or so ago. Never ended up going anywhere
with C but it was/is a good way to understand the workings and to be a better
sysadmin. My experience with FreeBSD is that once release engineering was fully
integrated into the upgrade process in the 4.x's, maybe the version 5 era
(memory goes shortly after the tolerance for coding 12 hrs/day) I have never had
any issues through cvsup, Subversion, and freebsd-update. If you follow the
releases, they work. Maybe if you are developing a port or are a contributor to
the base, things are not so rosy. But here in userland things are better managed
than IBM did with MFT, MVT into MVS. I'm pretty sure those guys got paid pretty
well and did not have to have a day job to do what they really wanted to.
That's a really wordy way to say I disagree with the idea that development of
the base OS has been mis-handled. In server-land since 4.5 no gotcha's here (as
a keeper of servers). Things are a bit rougher if you want to run a FreeBSD
workstation. On my current desktop I have gimp, libre office and my window
manager of choice. 613 packages and items built from ports. The pkg frame-work
is much improved over the old pkg_add et all. However, the number of
combinations of {613,n} where n is the number of shared libraries, dynamic and
static is a large number (finite but unbounded). And all involved have to get
all the dependencies right to have zero problems.
My concern is, if it works don't fix it. And, if you must, I would like to start
getting up to speed on it ASAP. I have access to every freebsd list but have not
found a discussion of this. My only request is to be pointed to where I can
follow the discussion.
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