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Date:      Mon, 09 Jul 2001 11:32:53 -0700
From:      Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com>
To:        Jordan Hubbard <jkh@osd.bsdi.com>
Cc:        shannon@widomaker.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral
Message-ID:  <3B49F8D5.2C9BFA73@mindspring.com>
References:  <20010706144935.A61843@xor.obsecurity.org> <3B4650D0.97F10B83@bellatlantic.net> <20010707002340.B16071@widomaker.com> <20010707004731V.jkh@osd.bsdi.com>

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Jordan Hubbard wrote:
> Erm, I really think that some folks are missing the point with all
> this.  It's not up to the foundation to determine how the release bits
> are distributed nor has it ever been, just as it's not up to the
> release engineer or the FreeBSD core team to determine how the
> foundation spends any money it collects.  Each is a completely
> separate entities with its own methods of picking "officers" and
> making decisions.  They should all certainly be on friendly terms as
> they're all in the same "FreeBSD boat", but people really need to be
> careful about making assumptions about what the Foundation does or,
> for that matter, the core team does.  If you haven't heard something
> explicitly stated as a part of some group's public mandate, please
> don't assume that it's the case. :(

Except that he who controls the trademark is he who gets
to bless the distributions with its use -- or to deny its
use.


> I think Nik already did a good job of covering this.  If you
> distribute, at a minimum, the "base bits" that will come on the
> mini-ISO image and make it clear that the standard installation tools
> are present and should be used for any "stock" FreeBSD installation
> experience, you're in the clear.

Historically, you've always held that the CDROM must boot
to sysinstall.  As the software's daddy, I can see why
you'd want that; but your baby is ugly.

I don't see anyone stepping up to replace it any time
soon, so long as you insist that they not be able to
make money from it, and they can't use the trademark
if the don't include that blecherous software as the
default thing to which CDROMs boot.  Yetch.

-- Terry

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