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Date:      Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:09:33 -0400
From:      "leegold" <goldtech@worldpost.com>
To:        "Doug Young" <dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au>
Cc:        <freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: classic newbie inquiry
Message-ID:  <000401c00540$df6025c0$4ee07ad1@beefstew>
References:  <001901c004f8$3628fbf0$0ded7ad1@beefstew> <088701c00514$f4724c30$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER>

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Meantime I'll Buy the Oreilly Apache book. I have a tendency to buy
every book in the universe on a particular subject/project I get into.
I'll watch your site for the updates. Try to get the "big picture".
Thanks




----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Young" <dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au>
To: "leegold" <goldtech@worldpost.com>; <freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG>
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 6:55 AM
Subject: Re: classic newbie inquiry


> The textbook answer to that is "SCO is a commercial thing, hence
there's a
> budget for documentation, whereas FreeBSD is open source so users are
> expected to fend for themselves". All that aside, SCO documentation is
among
> the best on the planet .... virtually everything is explained well &
the
> GUI's sure make things a lot easier than the  poking around in the
dark
> required by CLI.
>
> From my experience FreeBSD webservers are certainly reliable once
you've got
> the things running, its the "getting it running" thats another story.
If you
> can wait a week I'll hopefully have some "step by step" instructions
online.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "leegold" <goldtech@worldpost.com>
> To: <freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG>
> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 5:29 PM
> Subject: Re: classic newbie inquiry
>
>
> > How the hell am I gonna learn how to set up a web server? just
learning
> > how to install FreeBSD was relatively difficult. But searching the
web
> > for basic info on how to set up a web server turned up nothing. I'm
> > going to call walnut creek and see if there's reasonably priced
support
> > and ask all the stupid questions I need to, too.
> >
> > I feel stupid. If I do one small procedural thing/day towards
> > implementing the server that will keep the questions tightly
focused -
> > I'll try that. it will probably take a long time. I eyed a SCO
package
> > at the bookstore w/Netscape server - a neat bundle, but I want FBSD
and
> > Apache.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "leegold" <goldtech@worldpost.com>
> > To: "Doug Young" <dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au>
> > Cc: <freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG>
> > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 2:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: classic newbie inquiry
> >
> >
> > > So this it's a major undertaking explaining this? I would imagine
so.
> > > But it's really where FreeBSD shines as i understand it. It would
be
> > > glorious, nifty, cool to have a step-by-step explanation of the
> > > procedure. When you have the time and feel like demystifying the
web
> > > server setup. I'll go at it like a big dog.
> > >
> > > I'd do a fresh FreeBSD install w/out X - that's for sure. I have
never
> > > downloaded source and compiled to get a port/app. I've always
tried to
> > > get the binaries. There's alot of stuff that would have to be
covered.
> > >
> > > And now for questions that show my partial ( total ? ) ignorance:
> > >
> > > What is the purpose of Apache?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Doug Young" <dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au>
> > > To: "leegold" <goldtech@worldpost.com>
> > > Cc: <freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG>
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 1:13 AM
> > > Subject: Re: classic newbie inquiry
> > >
> > >
> > > > Ahhhhhhhhhh yes ..... the dreaded getty & apache strike again
> > > !!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > > >
> > > > Both those really need a better (as in "more explicit")
explanation
> > > than
> > > > whats
> > > > presently available, & are high on the list of stuff for the
next
> > > version of
> > > > Pedantic FreeBSD. The "man ppp" isn't anywhere near as bad as
the
> > > apache
> > > > stuff generally though, thanks to Brian Somers ... he has been
> > > extremely
> > > > helpful whenever I've
> > > > had problems comprehending any user-ppp issues. Basically what
I've
> > > been
> > > > doing
> > > > for the dialin setup is creating the ppplogin file, then setting
> > > ppplogin as
> > > > the login
> > > > shell for dialin users, basically as the "Method 1" in man ppp
> > > explains. I
> > > > HATE that poxridden "vi" monstrosity though, so to make life
easier
> > > when I
> > > > run "vipw" to edit
> > > > the master password file, I first set the default editor to "ee"
by
> > > using
> > > > "setenv
> > > > EDITOR ee". That doesn't "stick", so it needs to be re-set every
> > time
> > > you
> > > > use
> > > > "vipw".
> > > >
> > > > Avoid the /sysinstall version of mgetty at all costs ... its
TOTALLY
> > > broken
> > > > !!!
> > > > As far as I can tell the only possible way to getmgetty working
is
> > by
> > > > compiling from source, and thats another challenge given that
the
> > info
> > > > provided isn't as helpful as it could be ..... my advice for
what
> > its
> > > worth
> > > > is to stick with the man ppp / getty / method .
> > > >
> > > > Now for apache ...... it probably wins the prize for the most
poorly
> > > > documented application ever. There is virtually no attempt at
> > > explanation
> > > > anywhere for basic apache setup .... the apache homepage
isutterly
> > > useless,
> > > > likewise the various man ages.  Thankfully I've always got it
> > running
> > > in
> > > > basic form (ie without php etc) straight from sysinstall. The
main
> > > problem
> > > > I've struck is with inability to find the pages I've put in the
> > proper
> > > > location (at least "proper" according to pppd.conf). I now know
that
> > > was
> > > > because of some symbolic links which I inadvertently broke
whilst
> > > copying
> > > > pages into the default location. I haven't messed around with
this
> > > stuff for
> > > > a while, but I recall reading about many others having similar
> > > problems as I
> > > > did with "page not found" type errors, and invariably the cause
was
> > > the
> > > > broken links. As I recall, the guts of the issue is that the
pages
> > > aren't
> > > > where they are supposed to be according to pppd.conf ..... they
are
> > > > somewhere weird with (hopefully) a link between where pppd.conf
> > thinks
> > > they
> > > > are & where they REALLY are !!! If you don't know exactly what
you
> > are
> > > on
> > > > about when you start replacing the dummy page with your own
content
> > > you
> > > > could easily end up with the same problem, so be VERY careful
here
> > :)
> > > Other
> > > > than that its fairly straightforward until you get into linking
> > apache
> > > with
> > > > a database ... the apparent favourite method (PHP) is another
> > > contender for
> > > > the worst documentation on the planet .... I'm getting
infinitely
> > > better
> > > > results with solutions like CGI  /  C++  /  Java ...  at least
> > there's
> > > a
> > > > bunch of decent docs for those.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "leegold" <goldtech@worldpost.com>
> > > > To: <freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 10:39 AM
> > > > Subject: classic newbie inquiry
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > could anyone direct me to very basic how-to's on stting up
FreeBSD
> > > to
> > > > > answer the phone and being an internet server. I have never
done
> > > this I
> > > > > admit - and want to learn how. Maybe just put a few html pages
on
> > it
> > > to
> > > > > start.
> > > > >
> > > > > Where do i start?, what links would explain on basic level?
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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