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Date:      Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:26:33 -0500
From:      Bill Vermillion <bv@wjv.com>
To:        Nick Rogness <nick@rogness.net>
Cc:        Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine <brunner@nic-naa.net>, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Getting started as an ISP
Message-ID:  <20030123012633.GA83391@wjv.com>
In-Reply-To: <20030122172412.L52063-100000@skywalker.rogness.net>
References:  <200301221928.h0MJSJ7l041222@nic-naa.net> <20030122172412.L52063-100000@skywalker.rogness.net>

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While normally not able to pour water out of a boot with
instructions on the heel, on Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 17:47  
our dear friend Nick Rogness uttered this load of codswallop:

> On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine wrote:

> > A few weeks ago I sent a note asking for help getting started
> > running out of my basement. Two people were kind enough to
> > reply, and I've cleverly (not!) lost their mail.

> > My situation has changed slightly. Originally I'd a set of iXsystems
> > 1300 boxen running -STABLE and -CURRENT, and nothing else, all in my
> > basement. Now I've more resources -- the assets of a failed ISP.

> > I'd like to know what other small- to medium-sized ISPs
> > consider the core set of service to provide dial-up service.
> > The functional set of boxes, from dns to radius to ...

>  RADIUS is the only thing you need to offer dialup service.
>  However, that wouldn't make things very interesting now would
>  it. So these are just a few core services that I believe are
>  required to be considered a "normal" dialup service provider:

> 	-DNS (DNS service, domain hosting, etc)
> 	-Web/FTP (Web storage space)
> 	-EMAIL (POP/IMAP/SMTP)
> 	-NEWS

>  Web/FTP and Email service are relatively simple to provide to
>  customers. I recommend outsourcing News to some provider as it
>  is cumbersome and expensive to build/run/operate.

That is quite an understatement.  Going over some specs with
an engineer in a Level 3 facility a couple of weeks ago he said
a full news feed runs about 78Mbits/second.  Even if was of by an
order of magnitude that would come to 60GB day and I've heard 
almost a year ago it's been well over 100GB day, so his 600GB
figure is not that far off.

Bill
-- 
Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com

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