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Date:      Mon, 22 Aug 2016 14:23:44 -0500
From:      Linda Kateley <lkateley@kateley.com>
To:        freebsd-fs@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Recommended HBA for ZFS, contemporary
Message-ID:  <3c17c513-2eb3-7acf-4885-b31594ea2ee8@kateley.com>
In-Reply-To: <63B2949F-01C6-4465-A2D8-E4AA0FE0150C@bway.net>
References:  <alpine.BSF.2.00.1608221904270.82304@woozle.rinet.ru> <306ccab3-4c78-751a-2258-54701a64ab4b@internetx.com> <41DE4DAA-B5E1-4BB9-AF54-780236A901EF@gmail.com> <e9abbe16-837d-027a-6f0b-819944434143@mgm51.com> <ebe9caba-0e26-c5ed-6f13-7a94e084898c@denninger.net> <ce9ef2ee-b115-5a5f-80ea-f28a9cbd540a@mgm51.com> <f78013a4-639d-18b2-6ff2-c12ac03493f4@denninger.net> <63B2949F-01C6-4465-A2D8-E4AA0FE0150C@bway.net>

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On 8/22/16 1:51 PM, Charles Sprickman via freebsd-fs wrote:
>> On Aug 22, 2016, at 2:45 PM, Karl Denninger <karl@denninger.net> wrote:
>>
>> On 8/22/2016 13:38, Mike wrote:
>>> On 8/22/2016 2:36 PM, Karl Denninger wrote:
>>>> On 8/22/2016 13:34, Mike wrote:
>>>>> On 8/22/2016 12:18 PM, Ben RUBSON wrote:
>>>>>>> On 22 Aug 2016, at 18:14, InterNetX - Juergen Gotteswinter <juergen.gotteswinter@internetx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LSI SAS 2008 Based HBA, there are dozens of OEM available for Budget Prices
>>>>>> With the IT firmware.
>>>>> What's the significance of "IT firmware"?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> It's (slightly) faster, provided you don't turn on any of the other
>>>> stuff (which is always dumb with these adapters.)
>>> Does it come with the HBA board(s), needs to be purchased or downloaded
>>> separately?
>> I've never gotten a card with it on it; I've always had to flash it.
>> Flashing these cards is a bit of a highwire act and can brick them, but
>> I've never had it happen myself.  With that said my real reason to flash
>> all of mine is to have all of them on the same firmware just so I can
>> eliminate that as a possible contributor to problems if one starts
>> acting up and the others are not.  It's more of a "good practice" thing
>> than a need IMHO; it's not a lot of fun to try to run down a problem
>> only to find out after much hair has been pulled out of one's own head
>> that the problem is bad firmware on a board!
>>> Total noob here who wants to move my ZFS server disks off the
>>> motherboard SATA ports.  :)
>>>
> This is all a bit crazy.  Is the LSI series of HBAs really the only choice
> outside of onboard controllers?  It seems like they are troublesome, support
> is spotty, and this whole flashing process gives me nightmares.
>
> Also personally, with the few boards I’ve seen with built-in LSI adapters
> have always been a little wonky compared to their non-LSI counterparts.
>
> Is this all just the end-result of LSI basically buying up everyone?
I have the same question. LSI used to always be the go-to, but in recent 
years it seems to get more and more wonky.. there has to be a better way.
>
> Charles
>
>> --
>> Karl Denninger
>> karl@denninger.net <mailto:karl@denninger.net>
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