Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 17:45:47 -0400 From: dennis <dennis@etinc.com> To: Jacob Suter <jsuter@linus.intrastar.net>, Ulf Zimmermann <ulf@Alameda.net> Cc: Stephen Roome <steve@visint.co.uk>, shovey@buffnet.net, danf@JadeTech.com, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: T1 upgrade options? Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970710174542.00b08500@etinc.com>
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At 01:00 PM 7/10/97 -0500, Jacob Suter wrote:
>ISP Price for a Livingston OR-HS (T1/E1 capable office router, unlimited
>IP's, doesn't do BGP4 but everything else including OSPF) for $649 ISP
>price... Nice box based on the 386SX/25 running standard Livingston
>ComOS
A real screamer! ("capable" is the key word here). You could plop a
$795. card into your freebsd box and get expandability and a lot
more horsepower. Even our $530. card will blow away a Livingston.
Dennis
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>JS
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>Ulf Zimmermann wrote:
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>> > On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, Steve Hovey wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Tue, 8 Jul 1997, Daniel C. Fifield wrote:
>> > > > I run an ISP in Wisconsin and we are planning an upgrade from a
>> 56KB line
>> > > > to a T1 line. My ISP recommends using a CISCO router. I am
>> looking for
>> > > > alternatives and experience using the CICSO router.
>> > >
>> > > I love my ciscos - its all I will use! Not too long ago, we had a
>> cracker
>> > > attack an older cisco, rendering it useless. Their tech support
>> stayed on
>> > > the phone and got me upgraded to a new operating system and
>> crackerproofed
>> > > in a very short time!
>> >
>> > CISCO's customer support might be great when one of their pieces of
>> > equipment begins to show it's age/vulnerability, I'm not sure
>> however that
>> > it's the best advertising or reason to buy a Cisco.
>> >
>> > I still really don't understand why folks with only a T1 line insist
>> on
>> > buying a separate router, we have E1 here and have a dual port
>> serial card
>> > and a mux. It costs the same to add onto a pc as a Cisco, you still
>> get
>> > tech support and the PC that runs it doesn't do anything else or
>> fall over
>> > ever.
>>
>> Why ? Because what ever system you run your T1 off, PC or SGI or
>> whatever,
>> if it is not a dedicated router, people tend to run other services off
>> it.
>> If you run other services off it, you tend to modify it (for example
>> reboot). That brings down your whole T1 line. I thought long about it,
>>
>> as I started with just a Fractional T1 Frame Relay line for myself and
>>
>> decided at that point to go with a Cisco PC card. It is a complete
>> router,
>> it just takes power from the PC and a com port emulation for the
>> console
>> port. Even with this solution I power cycled the box it was in too
>> often.
>>
>> If customer ask me today about a standalone router or a PC card, I
>> often
>> tell them to get a router like the Engage routers. a T1 with CSU
>> version
>> cost $995 for ISPs. It has no large option in routing protocols, but
>> as an endpoint, they don't need much. The reason I tell them this, it
>> is
>> a standalone box. A black box in the corner. No one is going to touch
>> it.
>>
>> >
>> > Besides, why learn how to use a Cisco router, when you can have a
>> *BSD box
>> > do it for you for the same price/cheaper, but with a lot less hassle
>> if it
>> > goes wrong.
>> >
>> > Check out www.etinc.com and www.sdlcomm.com to name two.
>> >
>> > Anyway,
>> >
>> > Steve Roome - Vision Interactive Ltd.
>> > Tel:+44(0)117 9730597 Home:+44(0)976 241342
>> > WWW: http://dylan.visint.co.uk/
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Ulf.
>>
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>> Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936
>> Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: 510-521-5073
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