Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2026 18:41:09 +0300 From: Anthony Pankov <anthony.pankov@yahoo.com> To: hackee <h4ckee@proton.me> Cc: "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: FreBSD pkgbase vs distsets. Message-ID: <5998818.20260209184109@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <RGjih_vAIp-uvrtrphaK_DBKCLoDQBDIJBjg5FAJm_elUPJmkIGcpzjo84eA1Rf73FEqFxXoqsj4xASxB1d4e_lCy5mRxJEXia25_soPQlo=@proton.me> References: <0iqhe92aheNJohSnhh8-hXkXhQsaRG4D64nLTlTSIPgd6Iit07IwlMwmn-mIS-Qtp9KuZElphybTlYDIVTUDcVGpHWaUbQVGPKt53NSL5Jg=@proton.me> <1678741437.20260206163514@yahoo.com> <RGjih_vAIp-uvrtrphaK_DBKCLoDQBDIJBjg5FAJm_elUPJmkIGcpzjo84eA1Rf73FEqFxXoqsj4xASxB1d4e_lCy5mRxJEXia25_soPQlo=@proton.me>
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[-- Attachment #1 --] Hello, On 7 февраля 2026 г., 13:54:14 you wrote: > At the moment I'm using the code present in Makefiles which allows dissets to be assembled and packaged and placed into a filesystem which is then wrapped into an ISO image. If this code is removed, I will have to spend a lot of time redoing much of my project's code. Your buildway now is something like: 1. patch source (variant A) 2. make build... 3. make installworld/kernel to xxx/prepared-system 4. make iso from prepared-system if I understand correctly. First of all I don't think that 'installworld' will gone in FreeBSD-16. With basepkg it will transform to something: 1. patch source (variant B) 2. make build... 3. make update-packages REPODIR=/var/some/bpkg 4. pkg add -r xxx/prepared-system /var/some/bpkg/Y 5. make iso from prepared-system You will populate prepared-system directory by executing pkg, not by installworld/kernel. For now pkg really(!) work from local dir repositories. You do not need to setup any sftp/http servers over it. As for me I construct xxx/prepared-system by: a) install basepackages; b) install normal packages; c) shaping it by placing new files and modifying existing for special needs (really, just 'cp -rf myfiles/* xxx/prepared-systems') Base packages installed from what you get on step 3. Normal packages are from poudriere created repository. As for your source patches (variant B) its will be changed because of new concept. You do not need to exclude from building things that you do not want. Just do not install its on step 4. I use plists (package lists) for specifying what to install. In attachement you will see full14pblist.txt - base packages maked by buildworld/update-packages. baseP1.plist.txt - base packages for system on VPS with special kernel VPS. hostP1.plist.txt - normal packages to be installed I have a small script that install each line of this list in specified dir. So I do something like: ./instpkgs -r prepared-system -b 14 -f basepkgs/nehalem/FreeBSD:14:amd64/latest baseP1.plist.txt ./instpkgs -r prepared-system -f /usr/local/poudriere/data/packages/nehalem/host14 hostP1.plist.txt Then prepared-system directory contain ready to use system. I think you catch the idea. > пятница, 6 февраля 2026 г., 1:35 ПП, Anthony Pankov <anthony.pankov@yahoo.com> написал: >> Hello hackee, >> >> Friday, February 6, 2026, 4:06:36 PM, you wrote: >> >> > Hello guys! >> >> > As far as I understand, FreeBSD 16 is planned to drop distsets support and move entirely to pkgbase. I am writing to ask you to reconsider this decision. >> > I maintain a small FreeBSD-based project for my own hardware ( for amd64 platform, code can be seen here: https://github.com/h4ckee/CoreBSD ), that depends heavily on distsets, and migrating it to a pkgbase-only model would be highly inconvenient. I build custom compact ISO image based on that code. My equipment is for personal use, laptops and a server, but I'm hoping to create a small storage solution based on the compact FreeBSD distribution and may use it on my employer's equipment. There are also other companies and projects that use FreeBSD to build their own distributions—such as appliances and embedded systems—that similarly rely on distsets. I would like to propose keeping distsets intact while continuing to offer pkgbase as an alternative for those who wish to use it, in the same way it is done in the FreeBSD 15 release. I hope you will consider this request favorably. >> >> >> Can you describe more precisely what you are worry about? As of https://github.com/h4ckee/CoreBSD you build your system from sources and I don't fully understand what can prevent you to do the same later. >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Anthony Pankov -- Best regards, Anthony Pankov mailto:anthony.pankov@yahoo.com [-- Attachment #2 --] FreeBSD-acct FreeBSD-acct-dbg FreeBSD-acct-man FreeBSD-acpi FreeBSD-acpi-dbg FreeBSD-acpi-man FreeBSD-apm FreeBSD-apm-dbg FreeBSD-apm-man FreeBSD-at FreeBSD-at-dbg FreeBSD-at-man FreeBSD-autofs FreeBSD-autofs-dbg FreeBSD-autofs-man FreeBSD-bhyve FreeBSD-bhyve-dbg FreeBSD-bhyve-man FreeBSD-blocklist FreeBSD-blocklist-dbg FreeBSD-blocklist-dev FreeBSD-blocklist-man FreeBSD-bluetooth FreeBSD-bluetooth-dbg FreeBSD-bluetooth-dev FreeBSD-bluetooth-man FreeBSD-bootloader FreeBSD-bootloader-dev FreeBSD-bsnmp FreeBSD-bsnmp-dbg FreeBSD-bsnmp-dev FreeBSD-bsnmp-man FreeBSD-caroot FreeBSD-ccdconfig FreeBSD-ccdconfig-dbg FreeBSD-ccdconfig-man FreeBSD-certctl FreeBSD-certctl-man FreeBSD-clang FreeBSD-clang-dbg 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