Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 21:05:42 -0700 From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> To: "Michal Mertl" <mime@traveller.cz> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: NTP issues with 5.4 Message-ID: <LOBBIFDAGNMAMLGJJCKNEEFPFBAA.tedm@toybox.placo.com> In-Reply-To: <1115852338.875.9.camel@genius1.i.cz>
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> -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Michal Mertl > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 3:59 PM > To: Ted Mittelstaedt > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: RE: NTP issues with 5.4 > > > Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > Did you do an in-place update or a nuke-and-repave update? > > > > if it's an in-place update, then do a nuke-and-repave on your > > test system and see if the problem still happens. If not then > > there's a library or something somewhere that the updater > forgot about. > > It update with buildworld and mergemaster. I doubt the issue can be > cause by something in my config or installation. By 'nuke-and-repave' > you mean fresh install? I can't do that on the machines in > question, one > of them is acting as a router. > Then go to Goodwill and buy a $10 PC and load 5.4 on it. Your making excuses. If you have that many production systems that you just can't turn off, then you damn well better have a test system. You updated with buildworld and mergemaster - these programs are only as good as the developers make them, and their configs. Maybe someone made a mistake and it wasn't caught in the beta cycle, because all the beta testers did nuke and repaves, not buildworlds. I have never once done a buildworld and mergemaster to go to a updated version of FreeBSD on any of my servers, and I have dozens that I run in production with FreeBSD. I always do nuke and repaves. And during the last few versions I even stopped installing the precompiled X and started building X from scratch, after my fresh installs - this avoided dozens of Firefox bugs that others have wasted days chasing. I am NOT advising YOU to stop your buildworlds as a means of upgrading. I AM advising you that when you have a problem like this that the FIRST thing you need to do is a comparison between an upgraded system and a system that is a fresh install. Ted
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