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Date:      Fri, 5 Sep 2025 14:43:36 -0600
From:      Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
To:        Jessica Clarke <jrtc27@freebsd.org>
Cc:        Warner Losh <imp@freebsd.org>, src-committers <src-committers@freebsd.org>,  "<dev-commits-src-all@freebsd.org>" <dev-commits-src-all@freebsd.org>,  "<dev-commits-src-main@freebsd.org>" <dev-commits-src-main@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: git: 3ed0cdf7de79 - main - Update vmimage.subr
Message-ID:  <CANCZdfre_3C4JHsS6qaDxbFgH25zwGDRRK4Zo2L8VkxAsguuSQ@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <CACE4D75-E639-493E-81D5-755FA5728A48@freebsd.org>
References:  <202509051842.585IgIXp096270@gitrepo.freebsd.org> <CACE4D75-E639-493E-81D5-755FA5728A48@freebsd.org>

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On Fri, Sep 5, 2025, 1:40=E2=80=AFPM Jessica Clarke <jrtc27@freebsd.org> wr=
ote:

> On 5 Sep 2025, at 19:42, Warner Losh <imp@freebsd.org> wrote:
> >
> > The branch main has been updated by imp:
> >
> > URL:
> https://cgit.FreeBSD.org/src/commit/?id=3D3ed0cdf7de79fc0f50f57e75cdb9ae1=
78ab0e74c
> >
> > commit 3ed0cdf7de79fc0f50f57e75cdb9ae178ab0e74c
> > Author:     Unicorn9x <unicorn9x@yahoo.com.vn>
> > AuthorDate: 2025-09-01 11:30:48 +0000
> > Commit:     Warner Losh <imp@FreeBSD.org>
> > CommitDate: 2025-09-05 18:42:21 +0000
> >
> >    Update vmimage.subr
> >
> >    This "noatime" tweak, reduced the OPNsense constant 50kb - 80kb disk
> writes that wear down the SSD / NVME.
> >
> >    Signed-off-by: Unicorn9x
> >    Reviewed by: imp
> >    Pull Request: https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-src/pull/1834
> > ---
> > release/tools/vmimage.subr | 2 +-
> > 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
> >
> > diff --git a/release/tools/vmimage.subr b/release/tools/vmimage.subr
> > index 156987e33457..20ffe3b2dac7 100644
> > --- a/release/tools/vmimage.subr
> > +++ b/release/tools/vmimage.subr
> > @@ -82,7 +82,7 @@ vm_install_base() {
> > echo '# Custom /etc/fstab for FreeBSD VM images' \
> > > ${DESTDIR}/etc/fstab
> > if [ "${VMFS}" !=3D zfs ]; then
> > - echo "/dev/${ROOTLABEL}/rootfs   /       ${VMFS}   rw      1       1"=
 \
> > + echo "/dev/${ROOTLABEL}/rootfs   /       ${VMFS}   rw,noatime      1
>      1" \
>
> Do we really want to be disabling atime for every UFS VM image we
> produce? With ZFS we can do that because /var/mail is separate, but
> AFAIK there is no separate /var/mail in the UFS images?
>

I think we do. /var/mail is used by a relatively small group of users.
People that need the mail reader features of /var/mail can enable atime.
It's the lesser evil.

Warner

Jessica
>
> > >> ${DESTDIR}/etc/fstab
> > fi
> > if [ -z "${NOSWAP}" ]; then
>
>

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<div dir=3D"auto"><div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_contai=
ner"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Sep 5, 2025, 1:40=E2=80=
=AFPM Jessica Clarke &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jrtc27@freebsd.org">jrtc27@freeb=
sd.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On 5 Sep 2025=
, at 19:42, Warner Losh &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:imp@freebsd.org" target=3D"_b=
lank" rel=3D"noreferrer">imp@freebsd.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; The branch main has been updated by imp:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; URL: <a href=3D"https://cgit.FreeBSD.org/src/commit/?id=3D3ed0cdf7de79=
fc0f50f57e75cdb9ae178ab0e74c" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blan=
k">https://cgit.FreeBSD.org/src/commit/?id=3D3ed0cdf7de79fc0f50f57e75cdb9ae=
178ab0e74c</a><br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; commit 3ed0cdf7de79fc0f50f57e75cdb9ae178ab0e74c<br>
&gt; Author:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Unicorn9x &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:unicorn9x@y=
ahoo.com.vn" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">unicorn9x@yahoo.com.vn</a=
>&gt;<br>
&gt; AuthorDate: 2025-09-01 11:30:48 +0000<br>
&gt; Commit:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Warner Losh &lt;imp@FreeBSD.org&gt;<br>
&gt; CommitDate: 2025-09-05 18:42:21 +0000<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Update vmimage.subr<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 This &quot;noatime&quot; tweak, reduced the OPNsense cons=
tant 50kb - 80kb disk writes that wear down the SSD / NVME.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Signed-off-by: Unicorn9x<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Reviewed by: imp<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pull Request: <a href=3D"https://github.com/freebsd/freeb=
sd-src/pull/1834" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://g=
ithub.com/freebsd/freebsd-src/pull/1834</a><br>
&gt; ---<br>
&gt; release/tools/vmimage.subr | 2 +-<br>
&gt; 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; diff --git a/release/tools/vmimage.subr b/release/tools/vmimage.subr<b=
r>
&gt; index 156987e33457..20ffe3b2dac7 100644<br>
&gt; --- a/release/tools/vmimage.subr<br>
&gt; +++ b/release/tools/vmimage.subr<br>
&gt; @@ -82,7 +82,7 @@ vm_install_base() {<br>
&gt; echo &#39;# Custom /etc/fstab for FreeBSD VM images&#39; \<br>
&gt; &gt; ${DESTDIR}/etc/fstab<br>
&gt; if [ &quot;${VMFS}&quot; !=3D zfs ]; then<br>
&gt; - echo &quot;/dev/${ROOTLABEL}/rootfs=C2=A0 =C2=A0/=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0${VMFS}=C2=A0 =C2=A0rw=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A01&quot; \<br>
&gt; + echo &quot;/dev/${ROOTLABEL}/rootfs=C2=A0 =C2=A0/=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0${VMFS}=C2=A0 =C2=A0rw,noatime=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1=C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 =C2=A01&quot; \<br>
<br>
Do we really want to be disabling atime for every UFS VM image we<br>
produce? With ZFS we can do that because /var/mail is separate, but<br>
AFAIK there is no separate /var/mail in the UFS images?<br></blockquote></d=
iv></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I think we do. /var/=
mail is used by a relatively small group of users. People that need the mai=
l reader features of /var/mail can enable atime. It&#39;s the lesser evil.<=
/div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Warner</div><div dir=3D"=
auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_con=
tainer"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border=
-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Jessica<br>
<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; ${DESTDIR}/etc/fstab<br>
&gt; fi<br>
&gt; if [ -z &quot;${NOSWAP}&quot; ]; then<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div></div></div>

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