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Date:      Mon, 18 Jan 1999 20:37:33 -0500 (EST)
From:      iostreamH <fireman@shaw.wave.ca>
To:        "Oben O. Candemir" <dunya@one.net.au>
Cc:        freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   RE: FreeBSD IRC channels and ??quality??
Message-ID:  <XFMail.990118203733.fireman@shaw.wave.ca>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9901190941490.352-100000@fireball.2000.com.au>

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Just for starters I find #FreeBSD and #linux* on the efnet
equally as bad, #linux on the undernet is worse. Your best
bet for freebsd help on irc is #freebsd on the undernet,
they don't do any hand holding but they usually point you to
the correct doc's.

Personally I think many of the op's in freebsd on the efnet
aren't freebsd advocates, just ppl who want to have their
own semi-private os so they can be "leet". After all, when a
former linux user ask's "does freebsd do ip-masq?" it's easier
to type "man ipnat" in a channel window than it is to do
a kick-ban. It's just another missed oppertunity to advocate
our superior os.

regards
iostreamH

On 18-Jan-99 Oben O. Candemir wrote:
> 
> I have been using SysV Unices for 5-6 years and last year installed Linux
> on my home machine. On the many occasions I required help; I got it from
> Linux gurus on thr IRC channels on the irc.linpeople.org
> servers and received excellent help. Along the way I helped many other
> newbies with my general Unix knowledge. The Linux channels have an ethos
> that says no question is dumb or lame. No one is kicked or banned from a
> channel because of the pervasive 'calm' and responsiveness the 'elders'
> provide to newbies. In fact I don't think the chanop paradigm is in
> operation.
> 
> Now to the point...
> 
> I installed FreeBSD after reading many favourable reviews of it and the
> time came to join an IRC channel for quick help... EFNET's #freebsd
> channel to be precise. I had read the FAQ and it warned me that each of
> the channels had a distinct 'style'. I must say that while on the channel
> the amount of bullshit and tripe I witnessed was unbelievable. A
> cliquey group of unix sysadmins were calling newbies 'lamers', 'loozers',
> 'lemurs', 'wankers', etc. Kicking and banning for very soft reasons. I saw
> more profanity than what you would expect on a general channel. I was
> apalled. 
> 
> I'm not surprised the FreeBSD camp are playing 'second fiddle' to Linux in
> the interested and willing 'newbies'; and the computer press'
> consciousness.
> 
> As a convert to FreeBSD, I urge others interested in promoting FreeBSD to
> clean up the act and present the OS on IRC channels in a friendlier
> fashion.
> 
> PS: If you don't believe me either join the channel and ask a few
> questions or look at the #FreeBSD channel logs for EFNET
> located at http://www.emsphone.com/FreeBSD (yes think what you will, the
> channels are logged) and judge the quality for yourselves.
> 
> 
> Best Wishes
> O Candemir
> 
>   
> 
> 
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Date: 18-Jan-99
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