Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 22:32:59 +0200 From: "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" <dr.klepp@gmx.at> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ars Technica article on FreeBSD new user experience Message-ID: <202004102233.00017.dr.klepp@gmx.at> In-Reply-To: <QB1PR01MB3649CB3E113A4591FAD6BEF7DDDE0@QB1PR01MB3649.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> References: <CAPyFy2AVfEzey0%2B9-b8ZS1uyn8ODOoNhCHY7fHp2uc9ASiw%2BnA@mail.gmail.com> <9bc85f04-ed38-4d5a-bec3-551079cdcb2b@comcast.net> <QB1PR01MB3649CB3E113A4591FAD6BEF7DDDE0@QB1PR01MB3649.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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Anno domini 2020 Fri, 10 Apr 20:23:20 +0000 Rick Macklem scripsit: > Mike Remski wrote: > >On Thursday, April 9, 2020 5:39:45 PM EDT, Rick Macklem wrote: > >> Ed Maste <emaste@freebsd.org> wrote: > >>> Jim Salter has an article in Ars Technica discussing his experience > >>> with FreeBSD 12.1 as a desktop: > >>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/04/not-actually-linux-distro-rev= iew-freebsd-12-1-release/ > >>> > >>> There are some points in there that might involve misunderstanding, > >>> but there are also a number of real issues raised about the experienc= e ... > >> Since this is a public mailing list, I'll repost here... > >> > >> One thought here that I'll throw out (I have no idea if others > >> have suggested > >> this before)=85 > >> What about creating a separate release for desktops/laptops that insta= lls > >> X Windows etc from a simple installer "out of the box"? > >> --> To keep it simple, don't try to support all hardware, just > >> stuff that is widely > >> available and already well supported by the drivers in FreeBSD. > >> Obviously amd64 only plus a few widely available display > >> chip sets that work > >> well, etc and so on... > >> > >> If it doesn't support the hardware someone has, then they can go the r= egular > >> release/install route. (It would be nice to maintain an up to > >> date list of what > >> hardware it supports, but it might be easier to just have it > >> start up live CD > >> style and then see if the hardware it needs is there. > >> --> Sorry, can't do this display chipset to that sound chip or... > >> > >> Just an idea, rick > >> ps: I am not volunteering to help do this. I run FreeBSD on laptop/des= ktop > >> systems, but bare bones. No X Windows... > > > >Something like what old PCBSD did? How about FuryBSD as a starting poin= t? > >Joe Maloney is layering either XFCE or KDE (2 different ISO/install medi= a) > >on top of a FreeBSD install, so out of the box, the install gives you > >FreeBSD with either XFCE or KDE. > Yes. I'll admit I didn't know FuryBSD existed until now, but if the web p= age is > accurate, it would be fine. I just tried the XFCE version of it after reading about it here. It's quite= nice :) Nik >=20 > Maybe all that should be done is a reference to it on FreeBSD's web page. > "If you are new to FreeBSD and want a desktop system, you could try..." > FreeNAS should be mentioned as well, for people who want a NAS server, im= ho. >=20 > Although I said a new FreeBSD release, I don't see why it needs to be don= e by > the FreeBSD project itself, just that I didn't realize others were curren= tly doing this. >=20 > Maybe someone should ask the author of this article to try FuryBSD? >=20 > >Disclaimer: I've been using FreeBSD with X as a daily driver for a long > >time and honestly never found it that difficult to set up. Hardest was > >when everything started to need the drm-kmod bits, but once I understood > >what I needed to do, it's not been an issue. > I feel about the same w.r.t. NFS servers. > However, I've known good technical people who just haven't used FreeBSD > who have found FreeNAS worked just fine whereas setting up a server using > a FreeBSD release didn't work for them. >=20 > rick >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >=20 =2D-=20 Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing w= ith the NSA, CIA ...
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